Coil Lite Please

[Elim]

its hard to get experienced with the current way of things.

I don't agree. I see turn 6-9 progression groups in PF every day, nearly all day. This may not be the case on low pop servers, but if it isn't then you should consider moving servers. If you don't see progression groups then you can also make one. If you don't have the time to wait in a growing team, hop on once in awhile to see if you can find a nearly filled team. You can also join a FC that does carries(for free or pay). Just yesterday one of the members of my static suggested we carry some people in our FC...just to be nice. There's lots of options, IMO.

Read the OP.

I did...and? I don't think they need to make any special variant of coil because echo will be added.

[Vespar]

I don't agree. I see turn 6-9 progression groups in PF every day, nearly all day. This may not be the case of low pop servers, but if it isn't then you should consider moving servers. If you don't see progression groups then you can also make one. If you don't have the time to wait in a growing team, hop on once in awhile to see if you can find a nearly filled team. You can also join a FC that does carries(for free or pay). Just yesterday one of the members of my static suggested we carry some people in our FC...just to be nice. There's lots of options, IMO.

What I see everyday in PF when I log in is "T6-9 Progression" groups that say "Know the fight or GTFO" (or some other equivalent)... thats what I see. Hard to "know" the fight when you cant get a group to teach you. Not to mention for myself I am overseas right now for the next 2 years, so when I can play no one is online. To counter your other comments, not everyone is in an FC that has done Coil T6-9 much less has players to carry them (nor do they want to leave their current FC's just to get coil done). Nor do many have enough gil to pay for carry (which I have not yet seen offered on my server). Also, many of us have our own personal houses now that make swapping servers not an option or we'd lose the millions of gil we spent on them. I could argue Coil issues all day, the fact remains that many of us feel little is being done to help those stuck on T5 get through it and catch up into SCOB and eventually into Third coil. This is the issue many face and even the echo does little to help really. For myself, until coil difficulty is eased I will just watch it on YT because I dont want to deal with the stress of people while trying to learn the fights.

[Elim]

I dont want to deal with the stress of people while trying to learn the fights.

But this is a MMO not a single player game.

I'm sorry you can't get into coil but I somehow doubt that the majority of players face the same issues as you do. Like I said before, there are actually a lot of options out there.

But I still think if you put some effort into it(talk to people and make friend. Which is a big reason to play MMOs imo), you could get carried through coil.

[Vespar]

But this is a MMO not a single player game.

I'm sorry you can't get into coil but I somehow doubt that the majority of players face the same issues as you do. Like I said before, there are actually a lot of options out there. I honestly think if you put some effort into it(talk to people and make friends from around the world, which is a big reason to play MMOs imo), you could get carried through coil.

I think you missed my point. Ive already got T5 completion, and I dont want to get "carried" through Coil. I'm merely stating that this issue is obviously a valid one when a good majority of folks can not complete it, for whatever reason. That's not for their lack of trying... I think I did over 100+ T5 attempts before I finally was able to beat it... (and I dont even want to mention how long Titan took me when I started my Zenith ages ago)... By that time, I was soooo sick of the fight I didnt even care to try anymore. Telling me to go make friends is not an issue. I have lots of friends in FFXIV. But of those lots of friends, the vast majority themselves are still on T5 and are either too sick of the elitism, or too scared to join because they'll be verbally abused if there's a wipe, or not even given a chance because raiders don't want to raid with folks unfamiliar with the fight, or as in the case I mentioned above, they've run it soooo many times they just can't stand to do it anymore. I can say from experience that after 100+ T5 attempts the reward no longer carried meaning. I was even less pleased when I beat Titan after the 637th attempt... Instead of feeling accomplished, I hated my zenith weapon with a passion and vowed not to touch another one until the mechanics were eased... This is exactly how I feel now with T6. I hate the very thought of the fight and therefore even if I beat it, I wont be happy about it.

My earlier comment still stands. Is it really that bad to let casual/new players have a story-line mode version of Coil???
and to Exstal, I agree there shouldnt have been a story.. but since there is and its locked behind difficult content... something should be done so we can all experience it ^^;

[Elim]

Telling me to go make friends is not an issue. I have lots of friends in FFXIV. But of those lots of friends, the vast majority themselves are still on T5 and are either too sick of the elitism, scared to join because they'll be verbally abused if there's a wipe, or not even given a chance because raiders don't want to raid with folks unfamiliar with the fight.

If you have a lot of friends then why don't you get together and attempt coil? That way you wont have to worry about getting verbally abused by strangers. That's was my point. If you are social enough you should be able to find a way to clear coil. It may take time to build that network but it would(or should) be enjoyable.

My earlier comment still stands. Is it really that bad to let casual/new players have a story-line mode version of Coil???

I don't think giving casuals a story-mode version of coil is bad. I just think it's unnecessary. I wouldn't bat an eye-lash if they released a story-mode version. I posted mostly because I'm bored.

[Vespar]

I don't think many of us would agree that its unnecessary to have a story-mode version. Quite the opposite in fact. I wont deny that I would love to get my friends together and attempt to beat coil T5-9 if only for their sakes, but sadly, Im both extremely sick of attempting it, and I also play at a time when the majority of folks are just about to go to bed, so this would not work for me unfortunately.

[mero-ix]

What I see everyday in PF when I log in is "T6-9 Progression" groups that say "Know the fight or GTFO" (or some other equivalent)... thats what I see. Hard to "know" the fight when you cant get a group to teach you. Not to mention for myself I am overseas right now for the next 2 years, so when I can play no one is online.

Why do you need a group to "teach" you? What you do is make a PF yourself: "learning party for T6, no exp required!" Can't find a static to take you? Start your own. I've met great people that way myself. And if you're in a different timezone now, then look at transferring servers so people will be online when you are.

What I'm seeing is a lot of entitlement: people who don't want to take the initiative to start something themselves, are expecting the entire game to revolve around their schedules, and/or expecting to be carried through everything so they don't have to spend hours on difficult content.

Coil is my favorite part of the game and something I like to work towards, why do some want to take that away from the players who enjoy the difficulty? Coil is the only hard content we have, if you don't want to put the effort in then it's not for you. You can argue that you have put the effort in, but attempting a fight 10 times and then giving up is not "effort". People who are downing Coil spend months on the Turns, so why should you have the rewards handed to you for minimal work? People like to throw around the word "elitist" instead of just acknowledging that those "elitists" have worked their asses off and earned it.

The cutscenes are available on YouTube for those who want story. If you want the emersion of seeing your character in the cutscenes then go beat the Turns.

[Lufir]

Coil is my favorite part of the game and something I like to work towards, why do some want to take that away from the players who enjoy the difficulty? snip...why should you have the rewards handed to you for minimal work?

In regards to the bolded text. How is a story Coil taking away from everyone else? It would only add more content for everyone to participate in. Want the difficulty and rewards? Fine, then do the original Coil then. Story Mode is not going to hurt our self esteem. There would be no loot as said a thousand times in this thread. The bottom line is Coil was made for the higher than average player skill levels. The problem: SE decided to throw in the major story arches in that content. Story content should be available to everyone.

[Exstal]

Story content should be available to everyone.

So where do I pay the extra $4.99 to unlock that content?

It's rather interesting to note, that only 7.4% of all players on PS3/PS4 have beat T5 (as that's the percentage of PSN FFXIV accounts that have the trophy for doing so). I'd imagine numbers for PC are pretty similar.

Given that abysmal number, is it any wonder that people want a "Story-Mode"? Coil will still be for the top 10% of players, just with that mode it lets the other 90% at least experience the lore.

Isn't it only 59% have even completed the main story?

[Amberion]

So where do I pay the extra $4.99 to unlock that content?

Not Sure if that is a reference to the subscription or not. But if it is, I have to say that subscription does not mean you have to be able to do everything. Only that you are allowed to use their services, like their servers.

It's rather interesting to note, that only 7.4% of all players on PS3/PS4 have beat T5 (as that's the percentage of PSN FFXIV accounts that have the trophy for doing so). I'd imagine numbers for PC are pretty similar.

Considering that the attention rate of players is fairly low on this game. Which means that most players quit before they even could start coil. So that 7.4% is actually higher when you take that into consideration.