SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Amberyl]

Gotta actually say lot of false info here, though steam has DRM, you can actually play most of their games offline

Offline mode did not exist when Steam launched, and is irrelevant to the activation DRM I was referencing.

also have you played skyrim?

You either missed it, or completely ignored it, but I've already addressed the complete irrelevance of a single player RPG (that has a developer authorized toolset and resource release,) in discussions regarding an closed-client MMO.

As I stated before, just because you have the ability to do something, doesn't mean you have the right. You do not own this software, and it's usage is governed by the policy document you have chosen to ignore.

[Tannlore]

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As I stated before, just because you have the ability to do something, doesn't mean you have the right. You do not own this software, and it's usage is governed by the policy document you have chosen to ignore.

Yes, this right here. The point missed by so many people. Right on the head Amberyl!

[Amberyl]

And using DRM in the argument is really grasping at straws.

DRM is absolutely relevant in a debate about usage policy governance. What is GameGuard, but an existence of DRM technics?

As for facts, there's a simple one that I've constantly stated, which you're choosing to ignore, and doesn't need advancing on. You've broken TOS.

[raelgun]

Offline mode did not exist when Steam launched, and is irrelevant to the activation DRM I was referencing.


You either missed it, or completely ignored it, but I've already addressed the complete irrelevance of a single player RPG (that has a developer authorized toolset and resource release,) in discussions regarding an closed-client MMO.

Gotta be honest here, but you were the one that brought up steam with its DRM policy outright, merely stating how false that is in the current scheme of things, also alice madness returns doesnt have resources like skyrim, thats pure altering the .ini files, other mmos are running fine, and rarely in my years of mmo experiance, have people been kicked for low dps as an example, people in wow hate afkers in mid combat to be carried in that sense then low numbers.

[Amberyl]

alice madness returns

Alice is, surprise, yet another single player game. Are you not getting the point, or just avoiding it altogether?

rarely in my years of mmo experiance, have people been kicked for low dps as an example

The whole point of this debate is that, yes, this is already occurring in XIV, when policy states that it shouldn't be able to. Why do you think they've switched their vocal line from Yoshi's original statements?

[raelgun]

The whole point of this debate is that, yes, this is already occurring in XIV, when policy states that it shouldn't be able to. Why do you think they've switched their vocal line from Yoshi's original statements?

Again you brought up steam, a platform not really known for its mmo launches, it has some, but not really known for it and talking about its DRM policies, which you have been ranting about.

Actually they havent really switched, have you read the article that was linked above, parsers will make their way through addons, they just dont want develop an official one, and the reasons were the same as blizzards stance would you believe, but they wont stop player made ones.

Are you trying to say bottom line, that players by no means regardless arent allowed to do that, so they need to be stuck with them? Why cant players have the right to do that, this is a question for you. People should have the right to group with who ever they like.

People only ever talk about the person under performing and their feelings, but no one ever considers the player who is doing good and their feelings on the matter, some of these players prefer to play with others on par with themselves and not boost others, why cant they have this right.

[Amberyl]

Are you trying to say bottom line, that players by no means regardless arent allowed to do that, so they need to be stuck with them? Why cant players have the right to do that, this is a question for you. People should have the right to group with who ever they like.

Sorry, are you really asking this? Look at the kick-vote reason options. Do you see one for 'poor performance?'

If you wish you group with who you choose, you have the ability to use the PF and pre-form.

And yes, I've read it. Policy-statements have been posting in this thread over and over, and their message is clear.

My whole statements are regarded strictly here at end game where analysis is important.

The other guy not going fast enough for you does not excuse you from the conduct terms and conditions, no. I return you to the bit about the choice of options on the kick-vote screen. Do you see one for 'poor performance?'

Now I presume you're just trolling for the sake of it. If you're honestly confused by this, go and read TOS.

[raelgun]

Sorry, are you really asking this? Look at the kick-vote reason options. Do you see one for 'poor performance?'

If you wish you group with who you choose, you have the ability to use the PF and pre-form.

And yes, I've read it. Policy-statements have been posting in this thread over and over, and their message is clear.

are you honestly caring about random grouped with random dungeons ?
Dont give a damn about 4 mans or HM trials, its end game where stuff like this matters, and this is pretty much where the debate is regarded, DPS checks exist in end game, barely for 4 mans and guess what, PF is mostly made for those end game fights, people trying to grasp at every straw they can, when stuff goes wrong, its more important to know what happened, and things go wrong more at end game. My whole statements are regarded strictly here at end game where analysis is important.

[Gormogon]

Defending Parsers

Check gear? Nope. Check Rotation? Nope. YOU'RE NOT DOING 500 DPS I WANT YOU TO LEAVE.

My sides, every time.

Angered Tank willing to go slower? Nope
Angered Healer willing to dot/damage? Nope
Other DPS willing to do 250%? Nope

Nothing but anger, rage, and the wanting of the leave. Parsers are such a good tool. Reminds me of people that go door to door preaching religion and those doctors trying to force you to quit some addictions.

[Appleh4x]

Just because they are against the ToS does not mean they are cheating

You sure had a different tune in the hunt resetting thread.