SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[chocomaid]

So that makes cheating totally ok? Would driving a Marathon be ok then because it's more efficient?

Wrong analogy there.

Sprinter A: *finishes 100m sprint* Wew, I think that was my best run, I was on fire!

Sprinter B: *finishes 100m sprint* *Takes out stopwatch and stops it* Hmm, that was worse than my last run, I think I need work on my starting technique.

Sprinter A: Hey that is cheating!

Sprinter B: Uh, sorry what?

[Elven]

Wrong analogy there.

Sprinter A: *finishes 100m sprint* Wew, I think that was my best run, I was on fire!

Sprinter B: *finishes 100m sprint* *Takes out stopwatch and stops it* Hmm, that was worse than my last run, I think I need work on my starting technique.

Sprinter A: Hey that is cheating!

Sprinter B: Uh, sorry what?

That is a terrible analogy a stop watch is a key necessity to any competitive athlete like running shoes for all that was worth you might as well have said sprinter A: insists on wearing long lace up boots when he runs.

[Barimu]

That is a terrible analogy a stop watch is a key necessity to any competitive athlete like running shoes for all that was worth you might as well have said sprinter A: insists on wearing long lace up boots when he runs.

Its actually a pretty decent analogy. If SE has a DPS race in the game which it does due to enrage towers, you need to be able to see dps.

[Mcshiggs]

Its actually a pretty decent analogy. If SE has a DPS race in the game which it does due to enrage towers, you need to be able to see dps.

Why do you need to see it, are you saying it is impossible to clear these without this information? I think your definition of need and want are mixed up.

[Elven]

Its actually a pretty decent analogy. If SE has a DPS race in the game which it does due to enrage towers, you need to be able to see dps.

Well no the point is you are given the necessary tools to complete the task are you saying it's not possible to get it done without a parser?

[ispano]

Well no the point is you are given the necessary tools to complete the task are you saying it's not possible to get it done without a parser?

There's many things in game and in real life that can be done without metrics and tools to help consolidate those metrics into something more easily usable. Like we have a combat log, but it leaves out dots, and the in game part has a line limit. The logs saved outside of the game are terribly difficult to read by hand. It's basically like giving a rally driver group several reams of raw data, but telling them they can't use a tool to make it easier to use.

[Umichi]

There's many things in game and in real life that can be done without metrics and tools to help consolidate those metrics into something more easily usable. Like we have a combat log, but it leaves out dots, and the in game part has a line limit. The logs saved outside of the game are terribly difficult to read by hand. It's basically like giving a rally driver group several reams of raw data, but telling them they can't use a tool to make it easier to use.

the problem is your not taking the raw data and inputting it into the machine and in the case of the rally drivers they are allowed tools to observe to help improve.... in our game you're taking the raw data in Real time as the game is playing. going against the ToS put forth by SE which implies NO THIRD PARTY TOOLS

[Kaethra]

That is a terrible analogy a stop watch is a key necessity to any competitive athlete like running shoes for all that was worth you might as well have said sprinter A: insists on wearing long lace up boots when he runs.

Its not a terrible analogy. Just like in my PT test example earlier. When I was running a PT test and had to run a 2 mile in a certain time, I would look at my watch and see where I was at when I reached the halfway mark. If I was running a bit slower than needed that let me know I needed to pick it up.

A Parser lets a static group get more information in the same way. If they aren't beating a DPS check, they can then look to see who is under performing. If its a gear issue, thats easy to see. But what if everyone is the same item level? Do you take every individual to an instance and time them on boss fights? Well guess what? You're parsing by doing that.

All a parser is in reality is a stopwatch and a calculator. Sometimes its a spreadsheet too.

I guess that's all the pro-parser community has to do. Instead of saying, "The parser shows you're lacking DPS". Just say, "my calculator shows your lacking DPS." I'd love to see the press that SE would get if they start actioning people for saying they are using calculators.

Seriously, you guys should report these threads for being in violation of the TOS if parsing is really bannable and you honestly believe it to be a cheat and/or against the TOS:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...otation-Reborn
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Temple-Reborn
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...age-Calculator

(anyone have the ones for SMN and BRD handy? I don't know if they exist)

I'm calling the bluff on the anti-parsing crowd. Lets see if they report those threads.

[Elven]

A Parser lets a static group get more information in the same way. If they aren't beating a DPS check, they can then look to see who is under performing. If its a gear issue, thats easy to see. But what if everyone is the same item level? Do you take every individual to an instance and time them on boss fights? Well guess what? You're parsing by doing that.

All a parser is in reality is a stopwatch and a calculator. Sometimes its a spreadsheet too.

No a stop watch is an essential part of an athlete's program a parser is more of a quality of life thing. Nothing wrong with parsers at all but don't come on here selling the idea they are super essential to playing this game.