Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[whiskeybravo]

ID-DE-CT is 180+220+500=900 over 3 GCDs, or 300/GCD. TTT is 150-200-330=680 over 3 GCDs, or just shy of 227/GCD. Even subtracting out the DE buff from the dot portion of CT, the CT combo should still pull ahead, I would think.

I know the potency of the CT is strong, but it also takes time to tick out.. How many more TTT's can fit into that timeframe.. I'll gonna try to simulate the scenario when I get some time.. Just wanted to see if anyone else has tried to see how it works.

And, ideally, you wouldnt lose the Dis debuff, because the other dragoon would be on normal rotation keeping it up.

[Viridiana]

I know the potency of the CT is strong, but it also takes time to tick out.. How many more TTT's can fit into that timeframe.. I'll gonna try to simulate the scenario when I get some time.. Just wanted to see if anyone else has tried to see how it works.

30 seconds is enough for 4 full combos (ignoring HT for the moment)? So that's 900+(680*4)=3620, which is still more than 680*5=3400. Actual difference gets bigger when you add HT back in, then slightly smaller when you add in the DE buff. Still comes out on the CT side, though.

[JetBrooks]

I know the potency of the CT is strong, but it also takes time to tick out.. How many more TTT's can fit into that timeframe.. I'll gonna try to simulate the scenario when I get some time.. Just wanted to see if anyone else has tried to see how it works.

The only time you should ever not refresh your IDC is if IDC is going to be the last combo to hit the mob, because you won't get the DOT damage from IDC anyway.

[whiskeybravo]

Nope... According to my maths, after 48 moves the standard combo puts out about 800 or so more potency. (11950 vs 11100)

Case solved

I guess it works well for Monks because of the crit Bootshine?

[Lewena]

I think I will not have any constructive answer in the other thread I posted first.

I have a 48 dragon, hopefully soon 50 and I have a really naive question. It is not for flame at all or anything alike. Why Dragon says that the 24 moves rotation is complex ? I mean sure if you want to memorize the full rotation, it would be a long one but if you think more in terms of priorities, it doesn't seem that much complex to me. Keep in mind that I still don't have CT so I cannot check the following statements.

So the full rotation would be (from Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn thread) : HT-ID-Dis-CT-Ph-TT-VT-FT-HT-TT-VT-FT-Ph-ID-Dis-CT-HT-TT-VT-FT-Ph-TT-VT-FT
As I see it, you would have two combos and two isolated skills :

1. ID - Dis - CT
2. TT - VT - FT
3. HT
4. Ph

You have a kind of opener : HT-ID-Dis-CT-Ph. After that it seems quite straighforward to me, but I may miss something. The priorites would be :

1. keep buff (HT) and debuff (Dis) up
2. keep DoTs (only Ph as the other one is part of a combo)
3. fill in with TT - VT - FT combo

Doing this, you would have

• the opener: HT-ID-Dis-CT-Ph
• then the filler combo: TT - VT - FT
• Here HT would fall off if you were to add another combo filler, so just reapply HT before it fades: HT
• Normally nothing would be near to fade so filler combo: TT - VT - FT
• At that time Ph should be nearly finished: Ph
• Then Dis would fade if you apply a filler combo so Dis combo: ID-Dis-CT
• ...

Am I missing something? By the way, it seems even easier to me if you would just sitck with 3 'combos':

1. HT - Ph
2. ID-Dis-CT
3. TT - VT - FT

Am I missing something here also?

Just to complement: the rotation would be in terms of above 'combos'
1 > 2 > 3 > 1 > 3 > 2 > 1 > 3 > 3
And if you are thinking in terms of priorities, you don't need to memorize any rotation.

If you were to memorize a rotation for Monk (yeah I hope, this will nope end up in the fight between Dragoons and Monks XD), it would lead to something also quite long. And I think even longer than the 24 moves of Dragoons. Indeed, if you are performing a rotation (it is bad for Monks to think in terms of rotation of course but this is only for some kind of comparison) with Demo every 3 stance cycle, you would obtain a 19 moves rotation without Touch of Death. If you are inserting Touch of Death, it is really really long. And it is why Monks needs to think more in terms of priorities than rotation. Why isn't it the case for Dragoons?

[whiskeybravo]

And it is why Monks needs to think more in terms of priorities than rotation. Why isn't it the case for Dragoons?

The Dragoon rotation to me is mathematical finesse rather than priorities. Obviously there are priorities, such as keeping HT and Dis and the dots, it's really just crazy how, by following the generally accepted rotation, everything just lines up perfectly. And it's consistent. By simply following the rotation you keep up with priorities, this feels different than adjusting the "rotation" in respect to priorities.

[Lewena]

Reading the OP, I believe the rotation is contructed via priorities. Well it does not matter in fact. At the end of the day, you have a rotation be it constructed by mathematical finesse or whatever. For execution purpose, it does not forbid you to create tips to 'memorize' it more easily than a sequence of 24 moves long. Well, you may have already memorize it so it may not matter for you but for new dragoons it can matter.

[whiskeybravo]

Reading the OP, I believe the rotation is contructed via priorities. Well it does not matter in fact. At the end of the day, you have a rotation be it constructed by mathematical finesse or whatever. For execution purpose, it does not forbid you to create tips to 'memorize' it more easily than a sequence of 24 moves long. Well, you may have already memorize it so it may not matter for you but for new dragoons it can matter.

That' just the way it feels to me after playing DRG for so long. The rotation is constructed around the priorities, but what I mean by mathematical finesse is, once you get going, the timers on everything line up just so, HT gets refreshed exactly when it needs to, Dis and CT get refreshed exactly when they need to. Off-GCDs come up at exactly the same point in the rotation with a scary consistency. Of course, the rotation of priorities was designed as such, I'm sure. But it gives DRG a much different feel than MNK.

For simplicity's sake, breaking it down to 2 combos and 2 independent abilities is perfectly fine, and of course every fight is different so you won't always be using the full rotation, examples being multi-dotting mobs or things like t5 conflags/t6 adds/t8 dreads where you separate parts of the combo (like a preemptive ID on #1, Dis-CT on #2)

[Butcherboy]

That's pretty much what I do for multi dotting. HT ID then switch mob apply CT Phl

[whiskeybravo]

That's pretty much what I do for multi dotting. HT ID then switch mob apply CT Phl

Yea, I've actually started doing that in dungeon runs recently if it's not an AoE-type pull. Not sure if it's more effective, but at least it doesn't feel like the dots are being wasted.