DPS check for turn 8?

[Askarya]

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You said before you have 2 BRD, now i also know that you have 1 MNK which means you have either atleast 1 caster or 1 DRG as fourth dps. If it's a caster my foes argument is valid, but you denied that so i'll just assume you have a DRG. Also you said before that one of the BRD supports the group. how? if you don't need foes and the MNK doesn't need tp song? But either way, a MNK who doesn't need tp song in t8 is definitly managing his tp so he won't need it, which results in less dps. Less dps - not as efficient.

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And yes there are countless different strageties out there for t8. Still an efficient strategy isn't determined by my own opinion, it's determined by simple and plain maths! If you don't meet a dps check you try to push your dps harder, how can you achieve that? You either do it over and over aain until you can play it perfectly with your eyes closed and hope that this will give you enough dps to meet the requirement, or you try to figure out a more efficient Strategy. If you go with the second why not just go with the most efficient strategy dps-wise which leaves some room for mistakes? Ofc you need to adjust the Strategy to your group - example: If your healer needs ballad for whatever reason (be it gear, not knowing how to heal that turn perfectly, personal preferences). But those adjustments will always cost you some of that efficiency.

So if someone asks you after a strategy or tips you should always give him the most efficient way and tell him that he needs to adjust it to the needs of his own group. If you give him your already adjusted strategy he will even more adjust it for his group in in about 80% of the cases lose even more efficiency. Which is bad if they're already struggling with it.

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Like i said before, efficiency isn't determined by my opinion, it's really simple math. And i expect healers to put up dots in their downtime except it's really a fight where they need to manage their mp for whatever reason.

Keeping you group up is fine, but many healers try to get their group topped off asap what is a horrible mistake. T8 is so scripted there is nearly no unexpected damage (exceptions are bad homing missile handling, mines and MAYBE someone gets a hit from a dread but how often does this happen? 1/100 trys?) but if you know those aren't coming in the next 20 sec why would you waste mp to top your group of asap? It's really just a waste of mp, nothing more.

[Princess_Rosilee]

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1. I was merely pointing out you are making an assumption based on something you don't have any knowledge about. When I said one bard supports the group I meant if needed, not that he actively has something up at all times.Our monk doesn't have any dps issues.

2. I don't agree with this in the least, simply because determining whether a strategy is most efficient is based up to the individual regardless of numbers.They don't have to follow it or do any adjustments,it's a choice.

3. Efficiency is determined by opinion not numbers. Me needing ballad for t8 is not a telling of my efficiency as a healer. I like to keep my party topped off because there are times when you can either do enough dps to skip that one dread or you can't, and then it comes down to. "Oh I wasn't expecting to have to heal the tank aggressively right now, or phew I saved it." I prefer to know if we do by chance get a bad homing missile or hit randomly my party won't die.

[Askarya]

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Not having issuesor being able to kill something doesn't mean that it's efficient or that the person does the best he/she could do.

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Correct it's a choice. Like i said before you can choose between playing the most efficient way or you make adjustements and sacrifice some of the efficiency. Because if you boil it down every other strategy was at some point part of the most efficient Strategy. Your opinion on an strategy doesn't determine the efficiency of it, it only determines which strategy suits your group the best and that's a difference.

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If you have sometimes trouble skipping the dread than it just proofs that your strategy isn't as efficient (from your bragging how easy your groups kills t8 everytime easily and that you have no problems i assume that your average group ilvl is 100+). Because with that ilvl you should be able to always skip the dread especially if your Sch is dpsing all the time and you're throwing some dots in while you have downtime like you said before. And like i also said before there is no possible random hit except for homing which will hit the group. Maybe a mine but that shouldn't hit more than 1 or 2 additional people and they should survive even if you don't instantly top them off :P
But regardless of that, if it works for you group then it's fine. But you shouldn't assume that your adjusted strategy is that good for other groups, especially when it's a group that still sturggles with the dps check. Rather try to give them a more neutral strategy without too many adjustements. that gives them room to find there one "best" strategy.

I also disagree with the fact that SMN needs ballad in t8.

Not quiet sure about this one since i couldn't test it often enough, but a SMN should profit more from 1 more foes and using energy drain than from a ballad.

[Princess_Rosilee]

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1. I never said it was. I said it's efficient for US. And that you trying to say someone isn't putting in their best effort without knowing the situation is absurd.
2. I don't see how something can be more efficient over something else if it's working as it should. I don't think my method is any less efficient than another method if it's working as intended. It's just a difference in choice. I don't get what you're trying to prove.
3.I never said we were having trouble skipping dreads. Nor am I bragging. If a dps dies for whatever reason or we need to sing a ballad or just whatever comes up and we can't skip the dread for that reason (when we're normally accustomed to it) is something I like to be prepared for. I rather know if ANYTHING HAPPENS my group won't wipe. That's MY mentality as a healer. It's not wrong or inefficient as it works out just fine. Which at the end of th eday is all that matters to me.

[Askarya]

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Like is said before, as long as it works for you it's fine. And how something can be more efficient... If strategies wouldn't be more or less efficient there would be no point in for example speed kills/runs. Ofc in case of t8 it's prolly neglectable since it's only 30 sec maybe 1 min difference (atleast after you're overgeared) so really nothing serious. But if you're still struggling with the dps that difference is huge. That's why i'm saying you should never give someone who is still struggling your own adjusted strategy. Most times that group will have an even harder life after they got an adjusted strategy.

I also never said that you should switch your strategy for your own group just because it's not as efficient. And i didn't mean any offense against you with it. Isimply tried to point out why your strategy isn't as efficient and why it's bad to pass this strategy to groups like OPs group.