DPS check for turn 8?

[Cessna]

The nice thing about turn 8 is its so easy to solo tank. Outside of the dread the avatar doesn't have any mechanics that hits the tanks too bad that requires cooldowns. I'm the main tank for my static and I have to tell you the other tank we have there pretty much is just there to take over if I should die (which almost never happens) and dps and handle mines. He doesn't even grab a dreadnaught because I'm more comfortable with pulling it across the room and fireing off a macroed set of my super cooldowns (vengance, thrill of battle, convlo) and watching the dps just melt that dread into scrap heap.

As for war dps, our dps war can put out around 240dps and I put out roughly 140-160 by keeping maim up and firing unchained off through at the battle as much as possible between the times I get brainjacked. And of course berserk is useful for snap far pulling the dreads.

[LunarEmerald]

Scholars should at least be making sure bio is always up. Instant cast dot that can't miss.

[SinisterJoint]

I will also note that we use 2 tanks, but the MT also does dreads. Our war does all the mechanics and still pulls high dps. It just makes it easier for the dps to not deal with it.

Point is, there are quite a few ways to do this

[Askarya]

Not necessarily true. Tp is only important if you play a class which actually requires it. The frequency it's used should be no where near ballad's unless you have mostly all melee. As oppose to healing which takes mp no matter what type of healer you have. And I don't see how the way you play t8 is moot when it actually defines what skills you actually need.

We play more paeon than ballad. Why? Because if you healers know how to heal efficient they will only need ballad in t9 (golem phase you can ballad while no golems are up so you don't even lose dmg that way). This changes ofc if people start making mistakes and die. But as long as everyone stays alive there should be no need for ballad in 6-8 even with a ilvl 90 healer.

[Princess_Rosilee]

We play more paeon than ballad. Why? Because if you healers know how to heal efficient they will only need ballad in t9 (golem phase you can ballad while no golems are up so you don't even lose dmg that way). This changes ofc if people start making mistakes and die. But as long as everyone stays alive there should be no need for ballad in 6-8 even with a ilvl 90 healer.

I already explained my reasoning behind needing ballad in t8 in the earlier pages, we are talking about something completely different. Not to mention I don't need ballad at all in t9 and can heal it comfortable. But again, we're talking about something entirely different.

[Askarya]

I already explained my reasoning behind needing ballad in t8 in the earlier pages, we are talking about something completely different. Not to mention I don't need ballad at all in t9 and can heal it comfortable. But again, we're talking about something entirely different.

Because if your healers know how to heal efficient

And letting bards center their fight around a single healer is a really, really bad choice. They shouldn't need to center their fight around anyone, they SHOULD be able to react to everything that could happen and they won't be able to do that if they need to focus their fight/rotation w/e around a single person.

Edit: Oh and working strategy != efficient

[Kyoskai]

And letting bards center their fight around a single healer is a really, really bad choice. They shouldn't need to center their fight around anyone, they SHOULD be able to react to everything that could happen and they won't be able to do that if they need to focus their fight/rotation w/e around a single person.

Edit: Oh and working strategy != efficient

Being a BRD is HRD D:
Singing songs is HRD D:
1 button rotations are HRD D:

[Princess_Rosilee]

And letting bards center their fight around a single healer is a really, really bad choice. They shouldn't need to center their fight around anyone, they SHOULD be able to react to everything that could happen and they won't be able to do that if they need to focus their fight/rotation w/e around a single person.

Edit: Oh and working strategy != efficient

Lol..I think you confuse efficiency with choice. My group does way over the required mark for t8 damage wise, and I practically solo heal it, which is why they center their rotations around me. They don't mind because it doesn't affect anything and we're clearing it either way. It has nothing to do with efficiency on my part, it's just the way my team choices to do it. You mistake it as they aren't versatile or we're doing it wrong because they choose to back me up instead of worrying about damage. Bards are as much of a support class as they are dps…just an fyi

[Askarya]

Lol..I think you confuse efficiency with choice. My group does way over the required mark for t8 damage wise, and I practically solo heal it, which is why they center their rotations around me. They don't mind because it doesn't affect anything and we're clearing it either way. It has nothing to do with efficiency on my part, it's just the way my team choices to do it. You mistake it as they aren't versatile or we're doing it wrong because they choose to back me up instead of worrying about damage. Bards are as much of a support class as they are dps…just an fyi

So you would tell someone who has yet to clear t8 and isn't totally overgeared for it to use a less efficient strategy just because it works for you while your group has way better gear? Nearly every whm who clears t8 weekly i know of solo heals it... and they don't need that much mp so that's a really bad excuse. And yes BRD is more or less a support class, but it's still more efficient to play paeon than ballad in fights were the healers shouldn't even need ballad. And if the tp of your MNK/DRG are fine you could even play foes to gain even more dps.

It doesn't matter anymore with our gear but for people who aren't that geared this can be the difference bewteen a kill or a wipe.

[Princess_Rosilee]

SNIP

I think you're seriously over-dramatizing it. I have two bards in my group, therefore our way isn't inefficient as one is supporting the group while the other supports me. They alternate in this way. We were doing it this way even without gear. It all leads back to the way your group setup is and what you do with it. The way we do it, ilvl 90 or otherwise hasn't hindered our progression in coil. We one-shot it pretty much every time, and prior to gear we were meeting the dps check just fine. Saying that it's a fight where healers don't need ballad is a gross-overstatement as well as funny considering the amount of healers i know who do and even forum posts. I would advice you do some research.