DPS check for turn 8?

[Kyros]

I MT as paladin. I have a hard time to reach these numbers. I roughly made it up to 150, but my average is 125/130ish. This is without potions or DPS-oriented food (I use the finger sammiches). As we do the solo tank strat, the extra DPS compensates that. Thankfully all the gear I have is shared with War. I'll try War tonight and check if there's any difference.

The numbers they posted where for OTing without tank stance in STR gear. Your numbers are fine for MTing.

[KogaDrake]

Potent poisons is like 1dps, over the course of the fight...that's not gonna help them win the fight

My group starts using poison pots at the 5th tower set to push and get as low as we can before phase 3, and get that extra boost in phase3. It may be a minor amount of dmg, but 8 ppl using 3 pots got us our first clear, 11min 02sec was time elapsed from pull to kill in our clear video, so without that extra few DPS, we wouldnt have cleared it.

Now that everyone knows the fight and DPS isnt indered due to overfocsing on mechanics and we have a bit better gear, we don't need the pots, but some still use just to be safe, a random death may result in a enrage still, and any extra dmg can help ensure it does not happen.

[Princess_Rosilee]

Well, we are essectially talking about the same thing. TP / Mana song... there is no difference. They both lower dmg by the same %

Ballad and Paeon both lower damage by 20%, the way you play t8 is a moot point.

Not necessarily true. Tp is only important if you play a class which actually requires it. The frequency it's used should be no where near ballad's unless you have mostly all melee. As oppose to healing which takes mp no matter what type of healer you have. And I don't see how the way you play t8 is moot when it actually defines what skills you actually need.

[Askarya]

Not necessarily true. Tp is only important if you play a class which actually requires it. The frequency it's used should be no where near ballad's unless you have mostly all melee. As oppose to healing which takes mp no matter what type of healer you have. And I don't see how the way you play t8 is moot when it actually defines what skills you actually need.

We play more paeon than ballad. Why? Because if you healers know how to heal efficient they will only need ballad in t9 (golem phase you can ballad while no golems are up so you don't even lose dmg that way). This changes ofc if people start making mistakes and die. But as long as everyone stays alive there should be no need for ballad in 6-8 even with a ilvl 90 healer.

[Princess_Rosilee]

We play more paeon than ballad. Why? Because if you healers know how to heal efficient they will only need ballad in t9 (golem phase you can ballad while no golems are up so you don't even lose dmg that way). This changes ofc if people start making mistakes and die. But as long as everyone stays alive there should be no need for ballad in 6-8 even with a ilvl 90 healer.

I already explained my reasoning behind needing ballad in t8 in the earlier pages, we are talking about something completely different. Not to mention I don't need ballad at all in t9 and can heal it comfortable. But again, we're talking about something entirely different.

[Askarya]

I already explained my reasoning behind needing ballad in t8 in the earlier pages, we are talking about something completely different. Not to mention I don't need ballad at all in t9 and can heal it comfortable. But again, we're talking about something entirely different.

Because if your healers know how to heal efficient

And letting bards center their fight around a single healer is a really, really bad choice. They shouldn't need to center their fight around anyone, they SHOULD be able to react to everything that could happen and they won't be able to do that if they need to focus their fight/rotation w/e around a single person.

Edit: Oh and working strategy != efficient

[Kyoskai]

And letting bards center their fight around a single healer is a really, really bad choice. They shouldn't need to center their fight around anyone, they SHOULD be able to react to everything that could happen and they won't be able to do that if they need to focus their fight/rotation w/e around a single person.

Edit: Oh and working strategy != efficient

Being a BRD is HRD D:
Singing songs is HRD D:
1 button rotations are HRD D:

[Princess_Rosilee]

And letting bards center their fight around a single healer is a really, really bad choice. They shouldn't need to center their fight around anyone, they SHOULD be able to react to everything that could happen and they won't be able to do that if they need to focus their fight/rotation w/e around a single person.

Edit: Oh and working strategy != efficient

Lol..I think you confuse efficiency with choice. My group does way over the required mark for t8 damage wise, and I practically solo heal it, which is why they center their rotations around me. They don't mind because it doesn't affect anything and we're clearing it either way. It has nothing to do with efficiency on my part, it's just the way my team choices to do it. You mistake it as they aren't versatile or we're doing it wrong because they choose to back me up instead of worrying about damage. Bards are as much of a support class as they are dps…just an fyi

[Askarya]

Lol..I think you confuse efficiency with choice. My group does way over the required mark for t8 damage wise, and I practically solo heal it, which is why they center their rotations around me. They don't mind because it doesn't affect anything and we're clearing it either way. It has nothing to do with efficiency on my part, it's just the way my team choices to do it. You mistake it as they aren't versatile or we're doing it wrong because they choose to back me up instead of worrying about damage. Bards are as much of a support class as they are dps…just an fyi

So you would tell someone who has yet to clear t8 and isn't totally overgeared for it to use a less efficient strategy just because it works for you while your group has way better gear? Nearly every whm who clears t8 weekly i know of solo heals it... and they don't need that much mp so that's a really bad excuse. And yes BRD is more or less a support class, but it's still more efficient to play paeon than ballad in fights were the healers shouldn't even need ballad. And if the tp of your MNK/DRG are fine you could even play foes to gain even more dps.

It doesn't matter anymore with our gear but for people who aren't that geared this can be the difference bewteen a kill or a wipe.

[Princess_Rosilee]

SNIP

I think you're seriously over-dramatizing it. I have two bards in my group, therefore our way isn't inefficient as one is supporting the group while the other supports me. They alternate in this way. We were doing it this way even without gear. It all leads back to the way your group setup is and what you do with it. The way we do it, ilvl 90 or otherwise hasn't hindered our progression in coil. We one-shot it pretty much every time, and prior to gear we were meeting the dps check just fine. Saying that it's a fight where healers don't need ballad is a gross-overstatement as well as funny considering the amount of healers i know who do and even forum posts. I would advice you do some research.