DPS check for turn 8?

[Askarya]

I have two bards in my group, therefore our way isn't inefficient as one is supporting the group while the other supports me.

It'd still be more efficient if one plays foes while the other supports the group.

We one-shot it pretty much every time, and prior to gear we were meeting the dps check just fine.

Yes, YOU did it. but that's still no reason to think that every other group can do this too. And as we all know from OP they're already struggling with the dps check so why would you give them a less efficient strategy?

Like i said before, just because you made it that way doesn't mean that it'll work for everyone else too. And chances are higher that they would make it with a more efficient strategy.

Saying that it's a fight where healers don't need ballad is a gross-overstatement as well as funny considering the amount of healers i know who do and even forum post.

I said they don't need ballad if they heal EFFICIENTLY, if they don't do that ofc they will need ballad. But it is a choice they do, they choose to not heal efficiently and pass the ball to do something to other people of the group instead of doing it themselves.

[Arok]

dunno how you can have probs with your gear healing it princess i end up with 2k mp without having any ballad the whole fight. Using shroud only when the dk is up ? Never heard something more weird then this its just dumb XD.

[Princess_Rosilee]

dunno how you can have probs with your gear healing it princess i end up with 2k mp without having any ballad the whole fight. Using shroud only when the dk is up ? Never heard something more weird then this its just dumb XD.

Again, our other healer spends 70% of the fight in cleric stance, and I'm not an idle healer. That and I play WHM my way. Good for you that you can do it without ballad *shrugs*

[Eriatarka12]

As someone who clears t9 on main (SCH, but did 6-9 progression and first 2 clears of t9 on WHM) and alt (BRD) I feel like I have to throw my two cents into this ballad discussion.

When playing WHM, I only used Shroud on Dreads because I was afraid of pulling hate. I needed ballad while learning but never on an actual kill (the one exception being when 3 people died at once and I had to rez). Even if I do need it, I feel bad asking for it because I know I'm killing my BRD's damage. I felt like it was my responsibility to learn to manage my mp/ether timing better to make it so my job is done but I never need to ask the BRD for ballad. As someone who plays BRD on all these fights I know how TP starved a BRD who only does towers can get, and if anything you should be letting them use that MP so they can paeon themselves and your melee to push numbers a bit more.

You might say to yourself, "Meh, we're making the DPS check in time, so who cares if I'm wasting a bit of MP. Obviously he can't be doing that little if we aren't failing the check..." Which is fine, I suppose. Either way the fight is still won and loot is still obtained. But I always look at situations like White Mages solo healing Turn 9 phase 1 and 2 and go, "They can do it, why not me?"Then I play with my timings, skills and other factors until I get it down. I did this in Turn 8 too, I more or less worked into solo healing it while my SCH stood full DPS in cleric's stance. This is all while saving Shroud only for dreads as well.

I feel like that attitude of "Oh we made the check anyway who cares" is putting yourself in a rut because you end up not wanting to improve or get better, or hell just seeing if you can do something without needing to rely on something like ballad. I think it's a great skill and independence building exercise.

I also disagree with the fact that SMN needs ballad in t8. I've played SMN multiple times on that fight when helping out other groups in my FC who needed a SMN sub, and I've done it completely fine without ballad. As long as you are refreshing dots individually and not clipping everything all at once (which takes a lot more attention but saves a ton of MP) and not using Miasma 2 irresponsibly (meaning only using it when you have contagion) your MP is just fine. However, I throw an energy drain into my starting rotation along with the first 2 buffed festers because I like to get the aetherflow cooldown going ASAP, rather than waiting for a higher potency fester with no buffs. If I crit the energy drain it's not a DPS loss at all because of my buffs when the fight starts and I get MP back.

[Princess_Rosilee]

sNIP

Yeah, I feel like perhaps I'm explaining this the wrong way. I don't require ballad for the entire fight. At the beginning it was rougher for me but now it's only like the second allagan field. Sometimes if someone dies or something it's more. I just don't want it to be seen as you're inefficient when you need it, because honestly it's one of those fights where healing is tricky.