DPS check for turn 8?

[Princess_Rosilee]

It has nothing to do with tp. I'm talking about mages ballad. Which of course would depend on your healer setup. I'm a white mage and my bards center the fight around me since I'm constantly healing. I can't use shrouds because I save those for dreads since cure threes and regens generate so much agree. Before I'm in need of ballad my bards are putting out 370ish almost 400 dps. Ballad lowers their dos considerably since they use it 30-40% of the fight. Most bards suffer dps loss in this fight because of it. It takes a lot to heal a tank and there is a huge mp drainage at least for white mages. (our scholar barely needs it) this is from my experience and people I know who are on t8 and have cleared it. Can't speak for your group.

[Radacci]

dont forget contagion.

haha. ya, if only all 8 ppl could use it, it would be somewhat useful.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

As a war, I do believe you can push that damage. As a paladin, uh... show the me the way, master.

[Tiggy]

more like 10k.
It does 250dam/pot*8ppl=2000. the pots got like 2min cd, so you can maybe use 5 of them during the fight (since there's enrage at 11min anyway) 2k dam*5=10k.
That's 6sec DPS, if you got 5 DD, with 350DPS. Maybe 4sec since DPS should be closer to 400, and tank is also doing damage.

I had thought it was lower but I didn't have the math to back that up. Thanks for dropping the math bomb. :P

[NintenPyjak64]

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Usually the only time Ballad is played in my group is when I, the SMN, needs MP. Please remember you're working with another healer, so Cure 3 is just wasted MP and overcure enmity. (iirc overcure generates 2-3 times more agro then actually healing damage) I spoke to my group's WHM and she says the only time she gets low is when our Monk makes mistakes and dies (we single tank so he's in charge of brainjack and homing missiles). It's all about knowing which spells to use at which times (but then again our WHM and SCH are a bad ass combo, perfect synergy)
Back on track, we run 2 bards but 1 is constantly playing Foes Requiem and the other constantly playing TP song at certain intervals. Our Bard that plays TP song is also incharge of MP song. If I were playing something other then SMN then MP song probably wouldn't be played at all

[Princess_Rosilee]

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Each group plays their own way. My group hits way over the dps mark so it doesn't matter how I use my mp. The reason I use cure 3 is because it's an instant top off when it comes to defensive reaction as oppose to medic II. I don't spam it or anything. Otherwise it's just regen > cure I, our sch doesn't spend near as much time healing since I'm the one mostly on top of it. He spends about 70% of the fight in cleric stance. That's why I take up so much ballad. Bards are not really a dps class so much as they are geared to boost and support other party members. That isn't to say they don't put out good damage but they are a dual role. We have no issues on how we clear t8 as we usually one-shot it.

P.S. Not to mention our sch also does one of the towers. XD I'd be short of saying I pretty much solo heal this but he heals in crucial times too so I'm not gonna say that. I.E. during dreads, mines.

[Askarya]

more like 10k.
It does 250dam/pot*8ppl=2000. the pots got like 2min cd, so you can maybe use 5 of them during the fight (since there's enrage at 11min anyway) 2k dam*5=10k.
That's 6sec DPS, if you got 5 DD, with 350DPS. Maybe 4sec since DPS should be closer to 400, and tank is also doing damage.

This one is correct, i shouldn't do maths after i pulled an all nighter >.>

I pulled 406 in t8 last week w/ i110 bow. It is very possible. That was in a config with multiple BRDs though. I didn't have to do songs. Was maybe 25-30 lower this week while giving the MNKs TP a few times. Can maybe get a screen after work if you so desire.

yeah that would be nice, i think i really need to get another bard who plays songs instead for me so i can test how high i would come.

With a i95 weap and on all song duties I'd say 300-320 is pretty reasonable. Give em the benefit of the doubt and maybe say about 280 is the lowest acceptable.

i would say 260-270 is okayish if he has really no i100 items and needs to play like 1x foe at the beginning 4-5 times paeon/ballad. I had 280 on my alt when i was still gearing it up but well i had only 1 week with that gear^^

[Ricky]

As a war, I do believe you can push that damage. As a paladin, uh... show the me the way, master.

I do 230-250 DPS as WAR on the fight while also tanking the robots, it's just much easier to handle for the entire group if I blow up all the mines and the MT isn't trying to pick up the robots. Of course you need DPS who actually know what they are doing in order to 2 tank 4 dps so I suppose that's why most groups 1 tank, easier to place all the burden on the tank and healer while the DPS coast through being awful

Our group had 1917 DPS last kill (including LB2 and LB1) so I am pretty shocked when I see people can't even reach 1300-1400

[TeganLaron]

Other than the MNK (which could still do better, but is doing enough for a kill) the DPS seems way too low across the board. As for the BRD's 220...I don't even know.

[RegnumMagik]

I just wanted to point out to the OP, since you will have inevitable deaths from the wipes to note at what point you are capturing the DPS values of your team. If you do it post-wipe you'll be seeing everyone do sub-par DPS because it's taking their deaths into account.

If you can, try seeing mid-fight what the DPS looks like to get a realistic idea of how much DPS everyone is doing. (If you're already doing this, then hats off to you).

It's also worth noting that at some points in the fight some players will be out-performing others depending on the time. e.g. The SMNs will be doing great if you capture the DPS as a foe's requiem finishes, and it will be lower if you're capturing it as they run out of MP.

TL;DR: Posting DPS of groups that wipe is not going to be a realistic interpretation of their performance.

This could be the case, though I'm fairly confident we still need to do better though. We definitely need to check on the BRD part and also to making sure there's no death.

We haven't used potions yet because we're still unsure if its enough to get the win. And we have all dps except MNK for mine duty, and all dps except BRD for tower duty.