DPS check for turn 8?

[Princess_Rosilee]

The reason bards do low damage in this fight is because they spend half of it in ballad mode. It's a very healer intensive fight. You need 1700 group damage to hit the fight comfortable. Your dpses must all be doing 300+.

P.S. Our bards each rotate using ballad for me and still manage to hit a bit above 300. They both have an unweathered rosenbogan though and are geared well enough..so.. I wouldn't hold that up to your standards, But our monk alone does like 430. X_X All our doses have unweathered weapon so they hit well above the 350 mark… but minimum for each person should be 300 even with weathered weaps otherwise you'll struggle.

[SinisterJoint]

The reason bards do low damage in this fight is because they spend half of it in ballad mode.

Not true in all accounts..

As a solo bard in this fight Im pulling 300 dps with a wave bow ( I literally just started doing coil 2 weeks ago) and an ilvl avg of 97. I have a drg and mnk to supply TP throughout the fight and usually play paeon 5 times, a full foes bar at the start and ballad once (right before allagan field starts)

The main thing as a bard imo is getting song rotations for the fight down.

With a pretty low skill speed (403) by the time my invigorate is at its 2min mark for CD, im hitting paeon (and that's usually right before the first brainjack)

Next week though ill have a fully upgraded rosenbagen (spelling) and I suspect my dps to go up to about 340ish with the same song rotation. maybe more..

My current stats no food and not in group --

-Dex 522
-Acc 507
-Crit 523
-Det 298
-AP 522
-SS 403

With buttons and not in group --

-Dex 522
-Acc 507
-Crit 533
-Det 312
-AP 522
-SS 403

[Princess_Rosilee]

It has nothing to do with tp. I'm talking about mages ballad. Which of course would depend on your healer setup. I'm a white mage and my bards center the fight around me since I'm constantly healing. I can't use shrouds because I save those for dreads since cure threes and regens generate so much agree. Before I'm in need of ballad my bards are putting out 370ish almost 400 dps. Ballad lowers their dos considerably since they use it 30-40% of the fight. Most bards suffer dps loss in this fight because of it. It takes a lot to heal a tank and there is a huge mp drainage at least for white mages. (our scholar barely needs it) this is from my experience and people I know who are on t8 and have cleared it. Can't speak for your group.

[NintenPyjak64]

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Usually the only time Ballad is played in my group is when I, the SMN, needs MP. Please remember you're working with another healer, so Cure 3 is just wasted MP and overcure enmity. (iirc overcure generates 2-3 times more agro then actually healing damage) I spoke to my group's WHM and she says the only time she gets low is when our Monk makes mistakes and dies (we single tank so he's in charge of brainjack and homing missiles). It's all about knowing which spells to use at which times (but then again our WHM and SCH are a bad ass combo, perfect synergy)
Back on track, we run 2 bards but 1 is constantly playing Foes Requiem and the other constantly playing TP song at certain intervals. Our Bard that plays TP song is also incharge of MP song. If I were playing something other then SMN then MP song probably wouldn't be played at all

[Princess_Rosilee]

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Each group plays their own way. My group hits way over the dps mark so it doesn't matter how I use my mp. The reason I use cure 3 is because it's an instant top off when it comes to defensive reaction as oppose to medic II. I don't spam it or anything. Otherwise it's just regen > cure I, our sch doesn't spend near as much time healing since I'm the one mostly on top of it. He spends about 70% of the fight in cleric stance. That's why I take up so much ballad. Bards are not really a dps class so much as they are geared to boost and support other party members. That isn't to say they don't put out good damage but they are a dual role. We have no issues on how we clear t8 as we usually one-shot it.

P.S. Not to mention our sch also does one of the towers. XD I'd be short of saying I pretty much solo heal this but he heals in crucial times too so I'm not gonna say that. I.E. during dreads, mines.

[SinisterJoint]

It has nothing to do with tp.

Well, we are essectially talking about the same thing. TP / Mana song... there is no difference. They both lower dmg by the same %

Ballad and Paeon both lower damage by 20%, the way you play t8 is a moot point.

[Princess_Rosilee]

Well, we are essectially talking about the same thing. TP / Mana song... there is no difference. They both lower dmg by the same %

Ballad and Paeon both lower damage by 20%, the way you play t8 is a moot point.

Not necessarily true. Tp is only important if you play a class which actually requires it. The frequency it's used should be no where near ballad's unless you have mostly all melee. As oppose to healing which takes mp no matter what type of healer you have. And I don't see how the way you play t8 is moot when it actually defines what skills you actually need.