"I play the way I want" -Randomperson

[Gelesto]

Also I've played with many horrible BLM's I don't go ballistic because they don't play like gods.

This thread wasn't about playing like a god but more about taking on advice from the group to help them become better thus helping the group and having them not throw the help back in the groups faces kicking up a storm about playing how they want to because they payed for their sub yadda yadda yadda

Edit : spelling mistake

[MachaMaeve]

Silly person, doesn't' he know he's not paying for himself, but for you? And that you are not paying for yourself, but for him?

Indeed your character isn't really yours, but mine. You should do things to help me.

Because your not actually helping me, just like how I'm not actually helping myself! And the person that replies won't help either of us or himself, but the next person who doesn't know what to say!

So don't worry, you are in fact helping yourself by helping me help someone else. Because I'm not actually helping them.

I'm helping you, who isn't really being helped at all because it is not you to begin with!

Pure awesomeness.

[scarebearz]

The only people who mentioned "parser" are those who QQ and rage calling people "elitest" and crying about discrimination if they play poorly.

I don't see what is elitest about trying to help someone to improve their performance, as long as it's done respectfully and politely.

You do not need a Parser to see if someone is performing exceptionally bad, nor do you need to play BLM to know that a BLM only using ice spells is a fail BLM.

[Ghishlain]

So unless you play the class/job you wouldn't know.

Maybe it's just me, but I like broadening my knowledge and there are some basics each DPS class needs to do to maintain "decent" DPS on a target (and you can check my lodestone, I don't have a physical DPS properly leveled yet)

DRG - Maintain Heavy Thrust
MNK - Maintain Greased Lightning III
BRD - Maintain Straight Shot and maintaining procs on the target
BLM - Maintaining Astral Fire III up time for as long as possible; making the proper changes to Umbral Ice for MP regeneration
SMN - Maintaining DoTs on the target for as long as possible; using Aetherflow charges for Fester (though Fester usage is indeed harder to notice without knowing the class more in depth)

Again, as I've said, I personally like broadening my knowledge of the game mechanics and dynamics, so some of these facts that may come second nature to myself may not be for anyone else, but I'd like to think this is a decent baseline for the majority of players.

Also I've played with many horrible BLM's I don't go ballistic because they don't play like gods.

No one but the most hardcore elite of elite expect people to play like Gods. They are expecting them to know their role + class/job well enough to help defeat mobs in a timely manner based on their gear score.

[Skivvy]

After the first few pulls, the whm asks the blm why he does what he is doing, meaning a question that can be reformed to "why aren't you using your skills in a way to maximize your damage output and mana regeneration"

That blm got hyper defensive, the more the dungeon progressed the lower got his damage output.

The whm explained the "best" rotation to which the guy said "I play the way I want"
And would not take any friendly advice given, going so far that he started insulting and trying to wipe us by messing with mobs.

I think it's very natural to get defensive if approached the wrong way. Asking "Why aren't you doing <this>" or "What are you doing?" are both negative ways to go about it, even if unintended.

If ever I feel the need to give unsolicited advice (which is incredibly rare - twice to date), I'll start it with a "Do you mind if I give a couple of tips? ^^; ". Makes people slightly more receptive vs. being on the defensive right off the bat. Whether or not they choose to listen, that's on them. I'll say my quick peace, and they can do with it what they will.

[saber_alter]

So unless you play the class/job you wouldn't know.

Also I've played with many horrible BLM's I don't go ballistic because they don't play like gods.

you see, there is a difference in playing decently (as in just doing basic astral/umbral rotation) and pressing random buttons.

one actually kills things.

i remember seeing a loldrg once, he was pretty geared, but i noticed that all he was doing was spamming chaos thrust and ring of thorns.

fortunately it was in praetorium so i didn't give a damn.

[Chihaya]

Heres my opinion on that... You should stop using programs not designed into the game and you wouldnt know how low his dps is, there goes your entire issue with him. You elitists need to kick rocks

You sound really butthurt for your first post on the forums... really easy to see whether a blm know what they are doing based on their rotation and managing their buff stacks.

[Gormogon]

This thread wasn't about playing like a god

No one but the most hardcore elite of elite expect people to play like Gods. They are expecting them to know their role + class/job well enough to help defeat mobs in a timely manner based on their gear score.

you see, there is a difference in playing decently (as in just doing basic astral/umbral rotation) and pressing random buttons.

The moment you criticized you should expect people to end up taking the defensive, just like as I expected that comment I made about "play like gods" to get you on the defensive.

He's doing something and not nothing but then someone always has to ruin it because enemies don't drop like flies and bringing up "maximize rotation" or "max dps".

[Nukocafe]

shoulda just kicked him and moved on if everyone in the party agrees that he's being uncooperative and a hindrance to the group.

[Ghishlain]

The moment you criticized you should expect people to end up taking the defensive, just like as I expected that comment I made about "play like gods" to get you on the defensive.

He's doing something and not nothing but then someone always has to ruin it because enemies don't drop like flies and bringing up "maximize rotation" or "max dps".

You are taking things out of context.

Again, I reiterate

"No one but the most hardcore elite of elite expect people to play like Gods. They are expecting them to know their role + class/job well enough to help defeat mobs in a timely manner based on their gear score."

I personally play with a sub-optimal setup because it suits my play style. For example

-I main WHM and I use a Crit Build, regarded as the worst build possible for a WHM to play. I am planning to build a Thyrus Novous that is ACC > Crit. Will this affect my performance? YES. Can I compensate for this with my skill sets? Yes! Will I ever achieve 100% super God-like play? No, because I am intentionally hampering myself to suit myself. However, I am NOT hampering the people I play with because of this decision on my part because I can compensate for the sub-optimal gear selection.

-When I play BLM, I start my single target rotation with Thunder (Not Thunder II or Thunder III). Optimal rotation for BLM begins with Thunder II followed by standard fire rotation. I am intentionally going a sub-optimal route because I enjoy going into Astral Fire III as soon as possible. Using Thunder will allow me that 0.5s faster. I also go from Flare into Tranpose into Thunder into Fire III (usually not capping MP) to go back into my fire rotation. Again, sub optimal, but it suits my style and hardly hampers my play for the content I want to do.

However, what is being discussed in this topic is not SUB-OPTIMAL but SUB-AVERAGE. You need no parser to know when someone is playing sub-average. You may need some knowledge of other classes to help you understand what they are doing wrong. However, in some respects all you need to do is look at the enmity accumulated on a boss to know how well or poorly a player is doing in respect to the other DPS in a light party.

Now, this isn't to say there are other factors involved. One can basically glance at the HP levels of the two DPS to determine their gear score. If one BLM is at 4.2K HP and the other is at 3.2K HP, then you can tell that one BLM's left side piece far outweigh the others. But if two classes of similar ilvl are paired side by side and one has a very distinct enmity lead, then one can infer that the DPS in question is providing a heavier contribution to overall damage between the two.

And then, if both DPS are playing poorly, this can lead to death in certain instances (Demon Wall being one of the prime examples back at the onset of the game). No one is asking for maximum DPS, maximum epeen factor, "God-like playing". But people are expecting the DPS to know enough about their rotation to over come these hurdles. If you cannot even perform this, and these individuals are not willing to listen to advice (when presented nicely, poorly presented advice is an entirely different can of worms), then this particular individual is now hampering the time of at least three other individuals.

People are not asking for you to do MAXIMUM damage. People are stating that they wish to see you do damage that is considered normal and respectable for your role.