"I play the way I want" -Randomperson

[Irving]

Seeing as you're most likely not paying their subscription or have any sort of digital or real world ties with that person, it shouldn't matter.

Criticizing a person in-game in a dungeon due to expectations can lead the experience from going from bad to extremely horrible. If you wanna risk it by "giving your 2 cents" go ahead I wont stop you. Yet if it doesn't end up the way you wanted then one should realize that they made the situation worse and trying to play the blame game doesn't help. They are both at fault from my point of view.

It should definitely matter as any person who joins into a dungeon is expected by the majority to pull their own weight. No one is saying said person should be perfect and perform within the upper echelon of players. Most of the people in here are saying that some baseline performance should be expected.

I will agree that people will often voice their criticism rather poorly and it can make a bad situation worse. Expressing advice and criticism this way can indeed be very damaging however it should not be an excuse to initiate destructive behavior as Kimikryo stated in his original post.

Let us remember, however, that while we are not paying said persons subscription fees or have any ties with the person, that they are not paying ours or the other members of the party. Due to such, I do not feel it is wrong for the majority of the party to voice their opinion as long as its voiced and expressed correctly. I also believe its proper to offer help and advice to others so they can better learn the intricacies of their desired job and thus allow them to better contribute to the group they are actively taking part in.

Unfortunately a lot of this ultimately depends on how people express themselves to one another and how one interprets these expressions so the best of intentions can be seen as the worst of insults.

Hyrist put it perfectly.

In the end, playing the way you want shouldn't be done at the expense of others. It's about putting forth an offering of goodwill to your fellow adventurers. Be courteous, and part of that is be responsible for the role you accepted when stepping into a random group. But being courteous is a responsibility for all players, not just the one who may seem to be lagging behind in performance. Too often we forget these things in the heat of the moment.

[Gormogon]

It should definitely matter as any person who joins into a dungeon is expected by the majority to pull their own weight.

If that's the expectation you're gonna put then don't use DF. It's that simple.

[Rubieus]

If that's the expectation you're gonna put then don't use DF. It's that simple.

I may have missed a comment so your sentence may be taken out of context. But, shouldn't there be some level of expectation? I mean, yes, at level 15, the first dungeon is Satasha. As any of the classes, I don't really expect you to go out of your way to be the MVP. However, if you queue up in anything post level 50. I should never have to question your fundamental skills. All black mages know to use fire III and then spam fire I, unless they need to AOE. Then when their MP is low, they swap to Blizzard III, and use Blizzard I until full mp, and then back to Fire. (All other skills can be fine tuned and put into rotation) But the basic fundamentals are the same. If you cannot even do that, then should I be penalized by your (not yours per say XD) lack of skill and understanding of a role which you decided to not only take to 50 (for achievement) but to continue on and do dungeons with?

[Gormogon]

I may have missed a comment so your sentence may be taken out of context. But, shouldn't there be some level of expectation?

When you queue through Duty Finder without having a full group? No, never. It's pointless. With those expectations in DF people tend to hurt themselves more often than not.
If you use PF then yes have expectations, the ones you placed.

[Rubieus]

When you queue through Duty Finder without having a full group? No, never. It's pointless. With those expectations in DF people tend to hurt themselves more often than not.
If you use PF then yes have expectations, the ones you placed.

So what you are saying, is that. If I pop a DF Roulette expert mode. (item level 60? is it?) I should not expect "expert" players? You are saying then that; Should I do DF, I should expect the same skill level I would see in low-level in an expert mode? That really doesn't seem correct. Please, explain this logic.

[Scarletyoshi]

So what you are saying, is that. If I pop a DF Roulette expert mode. (item level 60? is it?) I should not expect "expert" players? You are saying then that; Should I do DF, I should expect the same skill level I would see in low-level in an expert mode? That really doesn't seem correct. Please, explain this logic.

That they meet the min ilvl and behave in a manner that does not violate the ToS are the only things you can expect, that is correct. In this case "expert" is just the name assigned to that grouping of instances. There is no "skill level" parameter they can use to block people who don't meet said skill level from the queue.

If you have standards you expect others to meet that go beyond those defaults then you need to use the party finder.

[Rubieus]

That they meet the min ilvl and behave in a manner that does not violate the ToS are the only things you can expect, that is correct. In this case "expert" is just the name assigned to that grouping of instances. There is no "skill level" parameter they can use to block people who don't meet said skill level from the queue.
If you have standards you expect others to meet that go beyond those defaults then you need to use the party finder.

I don't have a checklist of expectations when entering into a DF. What I do have is an expectation of player responsibility. If I am a tank, you would expect that I chose that role because I wish to hold aggro and get hit in the face alot. If I chose Healer, it means I prefer not to get hit in the face and will reward you with some form of healing should you prevent that from happening to me. That is the only expectation I have.

So regardless if you are Tank/Healer/DPS; your responsibility to the team is to do your job correctly. It doesn't have to be the best. But refusing to play your job as thedevelopers intended. Just makes the game harder for everyone else. You are right, there is no parameter for skill level. There should be. There should be some form of gauge like a Maat's Cap questline or solo guildheist questline that prevents you from ruining my gaming experience because you can't or refuse to play your class as Yoshi intended. Instead, you (again not you personally) wish to run around half naked as a tank trying to spam fire spells as a gladiator because you saw it in an anime and want to be like that guy? _-_ Cmon..

It's not called "DF Roulette expert mode" because you'll be placed with "expert" players.

I apologize, my sarcasm may have not been blatant enough.

[Gormogon]

If I pop a DF Roulette expert mode. (item level 60? is it?) I should not expect "expert" players?

It's not called "DF Roulette expert mode" because you'll be placed with "expert" players.

[Jynx]

If I pop a DF Roulette expert mode. (item level 60? is it?) I should not expect "expert" players?

You can't be serious can you?

[Rubieus]

You can't be serious can you?

Hey Jynx, of course not. I was merely trying to point out that there should be a level of expectation and responsibility. Regardless of what dungeon I am in.