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    OP, you have got to remember that most players who play on MOBA's or MMO's play for the sake of elitism. These players would rather show a real lack of understanding and not help their fellow players learn the game because they want to only play with fellow elitist like themselves. I hear all the time people stating that they do not want to wait for people to watch CS or help explain fights because of their own time....whats the point of playing a MMO if its not to play with other people and help them enjoy the game as well. To all the players who state that they do not want to repeat something they have done 100 times....welcome to the world of gaming in where developers have being using the same model since 1985. If you can't hack people playing the game the first time and learning or wait for people to watch the CS, go party up with other elitist like yourself and never que for solo content again so we don't have to deal with players like you.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madruck View Post
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    Nice going with that generalization.

    New players should definitely watch cutscenes, but the video argument is a different story. If you're doing EX Primals or anything above BCT3, watching a video beforehand just shows respect for the time of other players. I never expect other players to watch or read a guide, but you have to understand that when you don't, you're expecting another player to tell you about a fight with multiple phases and mechanics (something you could have done while waiting for the group to form) and you will wipe multiple times because you're going in blind, and the wiping process could have been much shorter if you had watched a video. It's good for experienced players to help people that are new to something, but after some time, always being relegated to explain things to people going in blind and wiping from the same mechanics over and over again is just extremely tiring.

    That's not elitism, it's hoping everyone pulls their weight because it's a team effort. Parsers can help achieve that. In a 4 person dungeon, it's usually very easy to tell when a DPS is performing poorly (especially when you're the other DPS), but it's harder to do so in an 8 person fight. Always taking gear into account, if your DPS is noticeably lagging behind others, then you should be held accountable for it, and that is the double standard that the OP is addressing.

    Another great use of parsers is to measure your own DPS. Maybe you want to try an experimental rotation, or tweak with your personal nuances of it, or do a fight that you're not acc-capped for in your current gear, and see how many pieces you can downgrade to in order to meet the accuracy cap before it makes your DPS worse.
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    Last edited by Odett; 06-20-2014 at 02:11 PM.

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    Still have no clue how a parser can make a player toxic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Massterchef View Post


    Still have no clue how a parser can make a player toxic
    "Turn 6. Runthrough and super slug. Must have 300 dps or kick"
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    "Turn 6. Runthrough and super slug. Must have 300 dps or kick"
    The initiator of the PF would still kick people who he felt under-performed regardless if he had a parser or not and the standard would still be "Must have high dps or kick". This is one of many bad examples of a player you perceive to be toxic, having and expressing his high standards, not a parser turning someone into a toxic player.

    I still have yet to see a compelling argument.
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    Last edited by Massterchef; 06-20-2014 at 09:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Massterchef View Post


    Still have no clue how a parser can make a player toxic
    A parser won't make a good person toxic, but it can tip a borderline person towards being toxic, and will definitely make an already toxic person more toxic. It's really about the difference between 1. "Your dps is low, here's some ways to boost it" 2. "Your dps is low, play better or gtfo" and 3." Your dps is crap and you are garbage, you should log off and go kill yourself(I actually saw a tank say this to a blm in t4 once). Things would probably be ok if everyone fell between 1 and 2, but as anyone who's actually played this game for a while can see, there are far too many players, mostly younger ones who haven't mastered common decency, that fall between 2 and 3 to add an ingame parser, as not everyone is thick skinned enough to ignore it.
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