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  1. #111
    Player Eekiki's Avatar
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    Kickle Cubicle
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    Balmung
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    Rogue Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Greetings,

    The development team is aware of the strategy that is being used for the Binding Coil of Bahamut Turn 2 against ADS and they do not consider it to be an exploit. There are currently no plans to make any adjustments.
    This is a pretty troubling response. Exploit or no, the entirety of Turn 2 is poorly designed. The enrage strategy is just the rotten cherry on top of the warm milkshake that is Turn 2. I'd be happy if all you did is just add a paralyze effect to the AoE attack ADS does when it rages. Problem solved.
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  2. #112
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    Curcio's Avatar
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    Tori Yasa
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    Mateus
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    Marauder Lv 70
    I personally have no problem using the Enrage strategy, and have used it before.

    That being said, I'm surprised the development team doesn't have a problem with it. You would think they would want the Turn 2 mechanics to actually matter. After all, they're the ones who planned out the buffs/ability paths and whatnot.
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  3. #113
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    I'm all for it.

    Just fix it so ADS continues using its abilities.

    Because this is literally the only 'Enrage' I've heard of where the boss stops using abilities.
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  4. #114
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    Mooserocka33's Avatar
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    Moose Rocca
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Bankai305 View Post
    Its not an exploit, its bad design. Enrage means if you don't kill it within the allotted time you lose. current ADS enrage means you can bypass all ADS mechanics, take 3 healers and automatically win, so all the work and effort put into ADS mechanics/design is out of the window, and turn 2 has turned into the new turn 3 but with free loot.

    Tell developers that they should consider adjusting it not because its an exploit people are taking advantage of, but because ADS is a joke now and the

    Atlus useless
    Actually the people in static parties are not doing it this way. If they do they are screwing themselves for t4 or having to kick someone. It's good for using in a pug just to get it over with.
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    My discord is Moose#9971

  5. #115
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    Wallow Inwords
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    Ultros
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    Lancer Lv 50
    A community is based off of multiple people and the beliefs and ideals they encompass. Now not every one person thinks the same. T2 enrage is an alternative method of completing it. What is the beauty of this game if nothing but being able to do things differently with the same outcome. I'm sure the game would be much less enjoyable if everything had to be done the same right down to the smallest detail every time. Now while you may disagree with T2 enrage and believe it's making a detrimental impact to your server. It's actually making a positive impact on your community to those who wish to complete it the way they have chosen. Just like any community, you can choose not to participate with those individuals. That's your choice. But they are also making their own decisions and happily playing and enjoying the game on their own accord. To all groups out there, I say find your own way. Do something different. Step out of the mold and find your own way that works. In fact I dare you.
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  6. #116
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    Kiln Darkwind
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    Siren
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    Gladiator Lv 40
    Quote Originally Posted by Appleh4x View Post
    Bad logic, you can still 2 tank it. I play as WAR and we do the enrage thing, I just equipped dps gear for turn 2 and let the PLD tank. I put up the same numbers as a DRG without defiance on so nobody loses, and we beat turn 2 doing enrage using 2 tanks. If people wanna solo tank content they can for literally any fight in the game.
    If your DRG is pulling equal DPS to a WAR outside of defiance (even while wearing DPS gear), you may wanna have them look into their rotation. Any WAR won't keep up with a DRG that understands their job and utilizes proper rotation.

    Anyway, back on topic. Even though SE has stated isn't not an exploit, the mechanics teach you valuable game skills. By using the enrage method, you're only cheating yourself out of learning. The mechanics will always be recycled at some date and bite you in the butt down the road. I guess I'd rather learn and master them now, then later. To each his own.
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  7. #117
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    Kuroyasha Tenshi
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Allyra View Post
    And this even matters because.....?
    Your sig makes me laugh every time i see it xD
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  8. #118
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    K'urisu Makise
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    Siren
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mooserocka33 View Post
    Actually the people in static parties are not doing it this way. If they do they are screwing themselves for t4 or having to kick someone. It's good for using in a pug just to get it over with.
    My static group does it this way. I just swap to Bard or our Warrior swaps to Monk for turn 2. We also one-shot turn 4 this week, so I wouldn't say we are "screwing ourselves."
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  9. #119
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    Subucnimorning's Avatar
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    Behemoth
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by inemnitable View Post
    My static group does it this way. I just swap to Bard or our Warrior swaps to Monk for turn 2. We also one-shot turn 4 this week, so I wouldn't say we are "screwing ourselves."
    It's not screwing yourself but it is a waste of time if you can do the actual mechanics.
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  10. #120
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    Allyra Arianos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooserocka33 View Post
    Actually the people in static parties are not doing it this way. If they do they are screwing themselves for t4 or having to kick someone. It's good for using in a pug just to get it over with.
    My static does it. I switch from brd to whm, and one of our tank switches to brd. Since it is a static, no one gets screwed on gear either as we just do greed on the brd/tank drops.
    Quote Originally Posted by Subucnimorning View Post
    It's not screwing yourself but it is a waste of time if you can do the actual mechanics.
    Bathroom break during t2 or bathroom break before doing t4, makes no difference to me.

    And yes, we used to do t2 just fine the normal way (only took two tries to beat it the first time we were in there). But hey if we can take a break, and have fun chewing the fat on vent with each other, we'll do it.
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