The problem with allowing Turn 2 Rage strat

[Serneum]

TL : DR only pugs use enrage.

Actually the people in static parties are not doing it this way. If they do they are screwing themselves for t4 or having to kick someone. It's good for using in a pug just to get it over with.

We do it this way in my static. All of our members have at least two level 50 classes at around i75 or better (main classes being above i80, secondary at least i70 before we let them into Coil) and we just swap people around as needed for each turn. We hadn't tried T4 since the patch due to holidays, but we can consistently get to the final phase. I don't feel like we're screwed out of anything. That being said, I told my group that in February we're going to start doing the fight with Rot since I feel like we need to work on more coordination in preparation for other fights.

[Tinker]

A good Idea, Serneum. Twintania indeed does require precision teamwork. I've found that A good practice for her is also extreme titan.

[Aiyamai]

My static does this with this set up ( all of us are i lvl 77 or higher) : bard x2 ( only cause our smn left for irl issues so we didn't always have two) whm x2 , sch, Monk , war ( our war fights without defiance till he lvls drg he also does this from the start with the mini bosses.) , pld.

we are fortunate that our static blm also has whm unlocked and geared exponentially well. ( our tank does now too but not as geared) I would not look for a straight healer but a dps class that had heals unlocked because to ask for straight heals is down right cruel and you may never find someone willing. we usually have to wait around 5 clicks before we engage ads and the fight is over in two min after enrage. if we had to pug someone i would just go smn and recruit a healer. much easier that way then i could go whm or sch for that fight. we also one shot t4 and are working on t5 but thats just saying we do it this way cause we can.

We know how to deal with rot but when it goes so much quicker why bother? I look at enrage more as a challenge/gear check. low dps ...ya'll are dying, bad heals yall are dying, under geared tank ya'll are dying bad use of cd's... you get the picture. ... there is no way around that. plain and simple much easier to carry fail ppl in the reg way... enrage strat makes the wiping far more probable/likely than winning. I say this because our new recruit bard was terrified of enrage strat talking about how bad it is when the pugs they been in do try to attempt it.

[Noahlimits]

I look at enrage more as a challenge/gear check. low dps ...ya'll are dying, bad heals yall are dying, under geared tank ya'll are dying bad use of cd's... you get the picture. ... there is no way around that. plain and simple much easier to carry fail ppl in the reg way... enrage strat makes the wiping far more probable/likely than winning.

All I have to say is LOL at that. In no way is enrage harder than the regular way. Granted, the regular way isn't extremely hard either, but enrage mode is not challenging in any way or a gear check. Even low geared DPS can do it just fine if they have even a semblance of what their rotation should be. And I'm not sure how healers can be bad considering all you do is spam medica / medica II and succor every 3-4 seconds. Or if you're going the two healer route, Cure III.

The only remote gear check is if everyone didn't reach or get near the accuracy cap to hit ADS consistently (which can be rectified with food). The fact that you're saying it's easier to carry fail people the regular way (having to dodge lazer, pass rot, etc etc) instead of standing in one spot and spamming your rotation is cray.

That, or you're the best troll ever.. in which I give you a solid 9/10 for making my head hurt at your comments.

[ForteXX]

And sadly, I will now never have the chance to legitimately kill ADS.

[viion]

Speed run WP and lockout mobs
Speed run Garuda by ignoring plumes
Speed run Praetorium

Speed running ignoring all sorts, just to make it easier, but what about non speed stuff?

Joining turn 1 being on the snake and skipping ADS, how many has done that? bet OP has, skipped an entire boss for phat lootz.

So many of you are hypocrites, this no different, using mechanics to make things easier to get loots. Guarantee OP did one of the above, or still does, and there are many other examples.

[Zirael_Foxfire]

The only problem I have with this is, there are 3 healers competing for 1 item lot. It's a paradise tho if you're a tank - you instantly get all the tank drops.
I find it hypocritic where on one side you get told that bringing two people of the same class will kill your limit break filling in, or that you should bring meele classes to Garuda EX (hahaha) and next day all the parties for T2 want to bring 3 healers.

[Jermz]

Lol Y'all mad?! My goodness. People are so concerned about stuff that doesn't really affect them (especially in STATIC GROUPS). Get over it

[Tupsi]

Lol Y'all mad?! My goodness. People are so concerned about stuff that doesn't really affect them (especially in STATIC GROUPS). Get over it

Yeah, it doesn't affect them, once they get to turn 3, since you know the "only" way they can clear 2 is 'enrage', if they somehow miraculously get past 3 (since you know, clearly it's only new people who do it) they'll be stuck on 4 forever because, you don't really need a full DPS check doing the 'enrage' method, the people you try to run with from 2-4 will never even see the first dreadnaught. So while yes it doesn't affect them..I thought the whole mantra as of late is "thinking about the community"? You do know what people do in this game collectively does affect us when it comes to updates...right?

Look at Praetorium, a common strategy was to leech/esuna the Bleeding effect so people can stand in the glorious blue fire and still DPS, it wasn't an exploit either because you simply removed a debuff as it is natural for a healer to do - SE programmed it that the fire itself does nothing..it was the bleed effect that caused damage, so of course they fixed it even though it wasn't reported really. SE watches and makes changes accordingly, usually for the worst, so you don't want to have the "just ignore it" mentality when it comes to certain things. It makes life easier, sure - but when SE updates the game...we usually see a lot of people complaining when their free candy gets taken away.

T2 is harder than T4 if you do them correctly.

Which means if you can't clear 2 you shouldn't be able to clear 4. Just like Titan, even SE basically admitted Titan was supposed to gate Relic acquisition because if you can't clear Titan, why should you get your relic? They said there were FAR more relics made than they anticipated.

If Turn 2 is harder than 4 (not really), this method negates that completely (which in turn would then actually be an exploit by definition) - when was the last time you played a FF game where (or any game) where a coutdown to "Im gonna kill you!" move does...basically nothing and you can live through it? I don't know about you, but Citadel buster in XI's Ultima usually killed everyone but a proper -mDT/Light Resistance set PLD, Ultima in Praetorium killed everyone when Ultima countdown finished if you didn't kill it, Ultima in Minstrel's Bane killed everyone if you took too long...

Let's face it, it's an oversight but due to Coil having nothing done to it till at least march, there's "nothing wrong with it", but once the update comes out, you can guarantee things will change even outside of the 'nerf of previous content.', why would they nerf something that already did nothing?

[TitanACU]

This is just another group of ppl who are pissed because they didn't think of the rage mode first. If you can handle rot than great, do it and save yourself some time. Let the ppl who choose the easy way sit around and do nothing while waiting for the timer. Who gives a damn. If this wasn't an intended strategy, then the rage would simply wipe your party like EVERY OTHER 2-hour in the game. Get over it.