BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

[Maxthunder]

If thats the case then I'd like some songs that are actually needed and a wider variety... Its rare I play a song since my end game groups seem to get along fine without them. Makes me feel warm n fuzzy when one is actually required or asked for its so rare.

I agree with more songs, even let brds equip an off hand to play 2 songs and drop the aoe around bard for songs. It would be easier to fix it now than later. If the game lasts and they release more ranged classes this could create a balance issue. So say they decide to bring out ranger it would be the dps class.

[Maxthunder]

Well if Bards have too many pieces of the puzzle, then you aim to take away a piece or pieces. So what piece(s) are you taking please?

As I said before I hope they make brd 2nd class cnj and remove either mnk or drg. This would help it fit the support class. Now at the same time he needs to fix cure 1 or pld so pld's have more survivabilty and at the same time if they change brd 2nd class to cnj fix it so cure 1 actually dose do cures (not as strong as whm for either). When patch 1.23 hit brd and pld could actually cure for a decent amount it worked fine but for whatever reason he gimped pld and completely took it away from brd, this should not have happend. Currently we have 2 jobs that can put out great heals but.. it dose put a lot on those healers, where as even if pld and brd had cure's they could keep themselves up a bit longer if there was an issue with the whm/s not be able to cure for a min.

[Maxthunder]

We are Rangers with a few supportive abilties. Bard just sounds cuter!

No brd is definitely not ranger, no matter how you look at it it dosent even comes close. Ranger is a seperate job and it should be made as a dps class and brd the support class. There is room for both and dose open up opportunities for new jobs.

[Viridiana]

Makes no difference he messed up and needs to fix his mistake.

That's cool. Here's a thought: How about, until he "fixes his mistake," they not turn us into a glorified safety net?

[ReplicaX]

BOOHOO seriously? BRD is a SUPPORT job PERIOD.

lmfao. I don't care what you think it should be. I've played the job since its release in 1.2x and played it to how it was designed then tossing cures, stoneskin, raising members in battle, and songs to help my party.

There are 3 Roles in ARR. DPS, Tank, Healer. Sorry, SE changed ARR to try to appeal to a broader base and BRD was changed also. CNJ Cross-Class is gone. You keep going against the current state of the game saying BRD is support, songs are the priority for the party, but in a fight it takes up very very little of our time. Where damage dealing takes up the large majority.

You want the 1.23 BRD, refuse to accept the changes made, and on top of it blame the community when the Dev Team redesigned it this way. I've moved on and adapted to change and will if the job is completely overhauled in the future for a different role.

[Maxthunder]

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They rushed 2.0 and it shows, they didnt take the time to think things thru. A lot of players look at brd as support and that is what it is. It is also the easiest class to dps on so we also know why others are complaining about loseing your dps, but thats not an issue. Learn to play a real dps and not something that is suppose to be a support class, but you and others dont want to play support that is what it comes down to. This has nothing to do w attracting broad audience, it is a about others just wanting easy street with little to no effort and that fits into what brd dose best. At least if they make it into what it should be players will actually have to play the job properly, even know we have players that cant even use the job properly and it is by far the easiest in the game.

[Charas]

Maxthunder,
You seem pretty damn sure that Bard in FF14 ARR is a support. Yet the job is described and categorized as a DPS be it by the game or by the developpers themselves.
You even went as far as saying THEY messed up and that they need to fix their mistakes! Meanning u do believe to hold the very deep truth about a class u don t even play yourself, and that coz of that, SE itself have to modify their own game and class system.
It must be close to 10 posts in a row now where you claim to be something like a prophet to us all Bards out there " Know the truth my poeple, you are not on EORZEA to fullfill a DPS role, but to be a full support class!!! and this, because i say so!!! "
Ofcourse i m exagerating a lil bit, i do see the point that on some other FF that existed years ago, Bard was a mostly support class. But people like you seem to completly miss the point that FF14 2.0 is a game by itself, with a dynamic that doesn t allow pure support classes, and were Bards are indeed classified as DPS. This is a fact.

Now please, stop the nonsense and let the thread go back on topic... all Bards want are precise answers... even if it s clear now that we won t get any before the patch. Some ppl just never loose hope.

[Kitkat]

Greetings, everyone!

Based on fan translations of the interview Famitsu held with Yoshi-P recently, there seems to be a misconception about what was said regarding bard adjustments in 2.1. Contrary to the rumor that an ability would be taken away from bard and moved to a different job, bard will not be losing a main ability.

This confusion appears to stem from Yoshi-P comparing party formations to a puzzle and the jobs being the puzzle pieces. The goal for balancing the game is to make sure that no single job could complete the puzzle alone, and he feels that bard was given too many pieces of the puzzle.

I don't know about you, Camate, but the quote below is more along the lines of "Oops, that is too strong for you so we'll take that away even though we are buffing other dps anyway.":

During the previous LIVE letter I made a comment about adjustments to bard, which I think many of you are worried about. The reasoning for adjustments, as mentioned previously, is that bards tend to take away from other jobs that could be used in certain instances. This is due to their ability to deal steady damage in addition to supporting using job abilities. As such, we will be making adjustments to their cross-class abilities. There will be no changes made to archer or bard themselves. Please also rest assured that we will not be removing their ability to silence enemies.

It isn't so much that they are taking away from brd/arc what they get naturally that has people worried, it is the fact that what the job lacks due to lower weapon damage, no potency upgrades through position/combos, no dps limit break, and that when some of our "pieces to the puzzle" are used it adjusts our damage lower anyway....devs are now saying that they made a mistake with cross-class abilities because they messed up on the fight mechanics end making it seem a brd can fill in the role of another DPS? (Which they can't, sorry..another real melee DPS that knows the mechanics of the fight and how to play their job to full potential will always trump brd dps output. Pld gains access to silence also and once geared up appropriately songs become exceedingly less necessary.)

How is it brds fault that devs made bigger boss do attacks that cause other dps to constantly reposition/move out of range cause they hit melee too hard?

How is it the brds fault that server checks aren't frequent enough causing artificial lag when trying to avoid certain AOE for melee?

As most have already said, when you leave a statement like that, which the 2nd quote was taken from the Dev translation of the live letter and not the possibly "mistranslated community release" it isn't so far fetched that people would like to have information about exactly what they plan to change about brd. It is better to have that out in the open then leave it for interpretation. As far as most can see we are going to most likely lose access to: Blood for Blood, Internal Release, or invigorate. Taking any of these away can be a significant drop in DPS or even utility for brd if other adjustments aren't planned to properly counter what would be lost.

[ReplicaX]

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Thank you for a more organized approach with the current issues and state of play in the game with BRD. All they are doing is confusing ppl more and more with this new statement. You released provisional War info in testing, showing BRD provisional changes would have helped clarify some direction SE and provided more input.

[Maxthunder]

Regardless of what you or I want they will do whatever, the fact is everyone I have spoke too would like brd to do its support role, and no we cant go by the number of likes on this forums as the majority. Change is one thing but we do need support jobs like it or not and brd is a support job like it or not. Why do you think you have songs to cast? Why is the community wants everything to be dps? Why isit the easiest job in the game is brd? That answer is because you dont have to think you just press buttons and you can do it in your sleep or with your eyes closed. Even now we use brd as support for for all the high level fights, it dose help if players will actually use them.

Why not try a real dps job that isnt as easy you will have a lot more fun than just running around with your head cut off pressing buttons?