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  1. #191
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    DJ_Foxx's Avatar
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    Fira Foxx
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Leon_Stormrage View Post
    I think that they are moving raging strikes out of Archer to another job, and we will keep bfb
    I think it is much more likely BRD losing Internal Release since it helps out much more with Blood Letter procs. Yes B4B does help out our dmg but I tend to use Internal Release and gain the better benefits of my dots criting and resetting Blood Letter in all instants where as B4B there are some points you do not want to use it because of the increased incoming dmg.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arkh View Post
    Whatever they do, it will turn a mediocre dps to a shitty one.

    This nerf was really not needed, devs are blind. Im forced to play DRG now
    BRD will still be very useful in groups. There wont be a need for more than one, as opposed to what everyone things atm. It all boils down to who would rather play a RNG (Ranger for those who dont know) type class as opposed to an actual BRD.
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  2. #192
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    Viridiana's Avatar
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by DJ_Foxx View Post
    I think it is much more likely BRD losing Internal Release since it helps out much more with Blood Letter procs. Yes B4B does help out our dmg but I tend to use Internal Release and gain the better benefits of my dots criting and resetting Blood Letter in all instants where as B4B there are some points you do not want to use it because of the increased incoming dmg.
    Think most of us are assuming that's unlikely based on the fact that PGL is the class required to unlock BRD.
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  3. #193
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    Holo Wisewolf
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    Excalibur
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    Archer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by DJ_Foxx View Post
    BRD will still be very useful in groups. There wont be a need for more than one, as opposed to what everyone things atm. It all boils down to who would rather play a RNG (Ranger for those who dont know) type class as opposed to an actual BRD.
    There is still no debating that yes it will still be useful. There is no need for more than 1 for any reason so not sure why people think more is better. But the overall real concern is with 4 man raids, if bard dps is cut and there is a dps check how will a bard catch up since again they are the lowest dps class, they just have the highest burst damage. Sure every encounter I start out the highest dps but then fall below any melee dps within a minute and if I play foe requiem forget about catching a good blm or a smn for that matter. It is just a class that well we do not know all the details about the adjustment, a good majority of most any good end game player, bard or whatever class would like to actually know SE's fail logic behind it. From where I stand, I still believe it was the casuals who have no idea how to play their melee class that brought about the idea and Yoshi and SE have to think about their giant money pool, which is casuals over end game raders(even though raders stay around longer, but casuals can be replaced) because casuals more or less pay the bills.
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  4. #194
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    Exstal's Avatar
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    DPS checks are all about burst though. DPS matters greatly in fights where there are enrage timers (Twintania) and probably pushing forward. It's likely they'll rework Rain of Death since it's really expensive and give to someone else, while keeping LNC or changing in favour of MSK (which won't be soon). Invigorate is pretty damn important for any TP class and taking that away would make Bard useless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuuji View Post
    Instead of CNj just slap on arcanist subclass. Another eye for an eye and virus to throw up for "support". In regards to which class to lose I'd much rather lose lancer than pug. That IR is just too sexy.
    I've only played low level Bard but Invigorate is, how to say it, "essential"? Given that Venomous Bite and Windbite are both 80 TP drains TP so fast it's silly.
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    Last edited by Exstal; 12-11-2013 at 06:39 AM.

  5. #195
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    Ryuuji Ryuu
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    Hyperion
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    Archer Lv 60
    Instead of CNj just slap on arcanist subclass. Another eye for an eye and virus to throw up for "support". In regards to which class to lose I'd much rather lose lancer than pug. That IR is just too sexy.
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  6. #196
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    Pellegri Testament
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    Ultros
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuuji View Post
    Instead of CNj just slap on arcanist subclass. Another eye for an eye and virus to throw up for "support". In regards to which class to lose I'd much rather lose lancer than pug. That IR is just too sexy.
    So you'd rather lose dragoon and become worthless while keeping a crit buff along with a few extra abilities for support when it's been said by the devs we are not a support class? That crit buff is laughable compared to the other ability so many in this thread seem to forget about....invigorate. Sounds like an amazing idea being forced into tp song every 2 minutes for 20 seconds to gain the tp invigorate gives, sounds awesome being told we'll be gimped even worse than we are compared to every other dps that does better than us in equal gear.

    Until they give this game a full on support role, there is no such thing as a support class no matter how much some think so. What would virus be good for exactly from acn? the only good quality from it is the magic dmg reduction that only acn gets and it's used on a single boss fight once your group is geared. Eye for an eye? sure lets take our attention off our target for a second or 2 and cast an rng buff, further gimping our dps because we have to get off our target, you know....something that songs already do.

    Can see you've actually done Twintania too, you know what turn 4 and 5 would be like without invig? Lot of good that crit buff will do when you constantly have to gimp yourself on those fights already through songs. Know how well you would do when you have sit in another debuffed song for an extra 20 seconds several times each fight? Unless your group is already running double bard for those fights in which case you're already going in gimped when any other dps class would be better to take in if they have equal gear.
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    Last edited by Pellegri; 12-11-2013 at 07:38 AM.

  7. #197
    Community Rep Camate's Avatar
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    Greetings, everyone!

    Based on fan translations of the interview Famitsu held with Yoshi-P recently, there seems to be a misconception about what was said regarding bard adjustments in 2.1. Contrary to the rumor that an ability would be taken away from bard and moved to a different job, bard will not be losing a main ability.

    This confusion appears to stem from Yoshi-P comparing party formations to a puzzle and the jobs being the puzzle pieces. The goal for balancing the game is to make sure that no single job could complete the puzzle alone, and he feels that bard was given too many pieces of the puzzle.
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    Devin "Camate" Casadey - Community Team

  8. #198
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    Johnist's Avatar
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    C'mohn Nunh
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Greetings, everyone!

    Based on fan translations of the interview Famitsu held with Yoshi-P recently, there seems to be a misconception about what was said regarding bard adjustments in 2.1. Contrary to the rumor that an ability would be taken away from bard and moved to a different job, bard will not be losing a main ability.

    This confusion appears to stem from Yoshi-P comparing party formations to a puzzle and the jobs being the puzzle pieces. The goal for balancing the game is to make sure that no single job could complete the puzzle alone, and he feels that bard was given too many pieces of the puzzle.
    Can we get a full list of the Bard changes like we did the Warrior changes? Please and thank you!
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  9. #199
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    Leyna Crosse
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    Goblin
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    Summoner Lv 100
    The puzzle analogy is kind of cryptic. Plz tell us what you intend to do with Bard, as it might be a make or break deal for those that currently play bard.
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  10. #200
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    Jenity Dionysus
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    I don't think they're going to tell us just yet but I predict they're going to change having LNC cross skills with something else.
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    Last edited by Tanama; 12-12-2013 at 11:29 AM. Reason: grammar

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