Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

[Devils]

My simple question to Yoshi and developers:
What does Paladin get? We need an enmity increases, ability time increases, etc..... If you're going to upgrade one class then you should do this for all classes

That just doesn't make any sense. PLD was WAY ahead of us WAR's for anything post Garuda fights. Now that we are on PAR with PLD (maybe as it hasn't been released yet) you are asking for upgrades on PLD already? A PLD can tank Titan with DL gear and not much else, I can still barely tank Titan with AF2/Relic etc without twice the support the lower geared PLD needed. I went to Coil this morning with a PLD with DL ,one AF2 and relic +1 and he did just fine. Do you think WAR could even consider that? Bringing WAR on par with PLD in no way suggest that PLD needs buffs...............

[Hanabira]

What would be the point of buffing an inefficient class if everyone else gets bumped too? defeats the purpose dude

Edit: Devils, you mean that pld can tank titan perfectly fine in mostly Hoplite right? a hoplite pld tanks titan about on par with an AF+1 war, its just silly

[dbrewer225]

lol why are the paladins crying about war buff.

[Wizhard]

That just doesn't make any sense. PLD was WAY ahead of us WAR's for anything post Garuda fights. Now that we are on PAR with PLD (maybe as it hasn't been released yet) you are asking for upgrades on PLD already? A PLD can tank Titan with DL gear and not much else, I can still barely tank Titan with AF2/Relic etc without twice the support the lower geared PLD needed. I went to Coil this morning with a PLD with DL ,one AF2 and relic +1 and he did just fine. Do you think WAR could even consider that? Bringing WAR on par with PLD in no way suggest that PLD needs buffs...............

What the hell are you even talking about? My first caduceus kill was with the warrior tank in AK/DL.

[Devils]

What would be the point of buffing an inefficient class if everyone else gets bumped too? defeats the purpose dude

Edit: Devils, you mean that pld can tank titan perfectly fine in mostly Hoplite right? a hoplite pld tanks titan about on par with an AF+1 war, its just silly

A DL equipped tank on PLD almost means instant win on Titan assuming the group is competent. A DL equipped WAR is laughable, it might can happen but it is luck of the draw. AF2 WAR is still more iffy than a DL PLD. And I think you are right, a Hoplite PLD is probably as much if not more efficient that AF2 WAR in the current setup on anything above Garuda. You can make a WAR tank work but the idea of HAVING to be over geared for the instance is just ridiculous IMO.

These changes were needed just to make WAR a usable tank instead of a 2nd thought off tank. Cause even in a best case scenario the PLD was a better off tank than a WAR.

[Machineglow]

lol why are the paladins crying about war buff.

Why is a BRD crying about PLD crying about WAR buff? o.O

[Devils]

What the hell are you even talking about? My first caduceus kill was with the warrior tank in AK/DL.

Please read what I wrote, I am not saying it can't be done but requires a TON more support that even a lesser geared PLD. And if you effectively MT Cad with that gear you were carried through it, hate to break it to you.

I can still barely tank Titan with AF2/Relic etc without twice the support the lower geared PLD needed

[Hanabira]

There is no one that can honestly say that they aren't currently held back by a warrior. seriously. sure you can DO anything, but you sure as hell would be doing it easier with 2 plds, that's why the buff came. When my group has trouble with something, I personally feel bad because i know im making it harder just by being warrior. but once we learn more and clear content, it is STILL harder, but it gets done.

[DeeJayImut]

PLD = mitigation

MRD = mitigation
high dps
great aoe
high hp pool

we need myth ticket exchange, i wanna convert to MRD, not the class (the class can easily be done in 2 days)

but the MYTH i gain in this past 2+ months

[Elendil_Voronda]

I tank most of coil on my PLD. I tank turn 4 (successfully) on my WAR. From a mitigation and defensive cooldown standpoint PLDs are still better than the current proposed changes to warrior. Warriors have better threat and damage but that's really just flavor. I don't know why they bothered to up Warrior threat.. probably because you can blow through a TP bar on a warrior but you can't on a PLD.

I think it has to do with the increase in healing power Wars will receive (version 2.0 full wrath was +15% heal potency, 2.1 will be +20% by Defiance) this +5% difference can make a whm heals overcome a wars threat, so my bet is that they did it to balance this.

Also see how it was done to overpower only, which you use when you have lots of mobs on you and want to keep them on you while your DPS AOEs them and the WHM is spamming cures on you to keep you alive... WP SR anyone?