Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

[Dhex]

People really need to get it out of their head that WAR has higher DPS... we don't. PLD gets more Critical Hit and ACC from their Myth gear itemization than a WAR - as well as getting your Parry & Block on. You take less of a damage reduction in Shield Oath* than we do in Defiance - and Swords AA at a significantly faster rate than an Axe. You want more damage? Toss on Sword Oath and some DPS accessories.

Warrior's have a higher HP pool that's been the case since day one in FFXIV: ARR.

We're gaining freedom of "mobility" in our Wrath mechanics; Unchained will allow us to go all out on our DMG. Steel Cyclone will help us expend Wrath for AOE threat situations (this is likely an OT tool). Inner Beast is going to be healing for 300-700 HP now but giving us a 20% DR aftermath supposedly for 6s. It takes 8 GCDs to get Wrath V (20s), or an Infuriate (60s CD).

Inner Beast: 20s for 6s of 20% DR, or using Infuriate for a maximum of 12s 20% DR with a 20s build up for another 6s and another 60s for Infuriate.

Rampart: 20% DR for 20s every 90s.

IB -> 20s build up -> 6s 20% DR -> Infuriate -> 6s 20% DR -> 20s build up 6s 20% DR

Build up: 40s
CD: 60s (Infuriate)
Time up: 18s

Rampart. Instant 20% DR 20s

Build up: 0s
CDs: 90s
Time up: 20s

I don't think Warrior wins over the long haul - but it does handle bursts of damage better than it did before.

[Phreak]

MRD = mitigation
high dps
great aoe
high hp pool

Do you even WAR? ...or READ? For that matter...

[Machineglow]

I think it has to do with the increase in healing power Wars will receive (version 2.0 full wrath was +15% heal potency, 2.1 will be +20% by Defiance) this +5% difference can make a whm heals overcome a wars threat, so my bet is that they did it to balance this.

Also see how it was done to overpower only, which you use when you have lots of mobs on you and want to keep them on you while your DPS AOEs them and the WHM is spamming cures on you to keep you alive... WP SR anyone?

Ummm Steel Cyclone will now generate threat. Check it.

[SorriorDragneel]

You're neglecting the fact that that 20% Healing needs to be applied to a 25% bigger Health pool.

+20% damage resistance:
Starts at 5000 HP.
Receives a 2000 damage hit, takes 1600 damage.
= 3400 HP (68% of max)
Receives a 1000 HP heal. Gains 1000 HP.
= 4400 HP (88% of max)


+25% HP and +20% healing:
Starts at 6250 HP.
Receives a 2000 damage hit, takes 2000 damage.
4250 HP (68% of max)
Receives a 1000 HP heal. Gains 1200 HP.
= 5450 HP (87.2% of max)

Ummm but the +healing kinda means that a 1000 heal would heal for like 1200 instead....If you're going to compare make sure you remember to factor in ALL values not just 1 or 2....So a 1000 Hp heal on a pally will also do MORE for a warrior....

[glen7187]

Ummm but the +healing kinda means that a 1000 heal would heal for like 1200 instead....If you're going to compare make sure you remember to factor in ALL values not just 1 or 2....So a 1000 Hp heal on a pally will also do MORE for a warrior....

Isn't that what he said though?:

+25% HP and +20% healing:
Starts at 6250 HP.
Receives a 2000 damage hit, takes 2000 damage.
4250 HP (68% of max)
Receives a 1000 HP heal. Gains 1200 HP.
= 5450 HP (87.2% of max)

[SirSaber]

People cry because WAR wasn't on par with PLD
People cry because WAR gets buffs and fear PLD is useless now, even without testing these changes
People cry because WARs stun is still on a bigger cooldown than the PLDs even without knowing that 20s might be enough to block the dangerous bloss skills.
People cry because WAR can't still root Adds in place even if they have f***ing scorpion move now
People should wait, test things out and not jump into conclusions
People would cry less that way

[Maelwys]

Isn't that what he said though?

Yup

/10char

[TirionCrey]

A DL equipped tank on PLD almost means instant win on Titan assuming the group is competent. A DL equipped WAR is laughable, it might can happen but it is luck of the draw. AF2 WAR is still more iffy than a DL PLD. And I think you are right, a Hoplite PLD is probably as much if not more efficient that AF2 WAR in the current setup on anything above Garuda. You can make a WAR tank work but the idea of HAVING to be over geared for the instance is just ridiculous IMO.

These changes were needed just to make WAR a usable tank instead of a 2nd thought off tank. Cause even in a best case scenario the PLD was a better off tank than a WAR.

I tanked Titan for my Relic just fine with half DL, half AK and Titans Axe...idk what you're talking about. You seem to be just really bad at WAR, or your group doesn't know how to "adjust" to a WAR tank.
Coil is more demanding when it comes to WAR tank...but in one of our FC groups they had a WAR tank all the way to Turn 5 with DL and Relic, before he got any Myth/Allagan pieces, so your point is invalid.

WAR needed buffs for sure...but IMO they got ahead of themselves and exaggerated the buffs a bit. Take off the mitigation from Inner Beast and buff it back up to 300% healing. That's all it would take to really equal them out. IB is just over the top.

[Judge_Xero]

WAR needed buffs for sure...but IMO they got ahead of themselves and exaggerated the buffs a bit. Take off the mitigation from Inner Beast and buff it back up to 300% healing. That's all it would take to really equal them out. IB is just over the top.

The new buff will essentially be the Healing, except it will scale with endgame damage, without having to stack a ton of STR to make it effective. That allows it to not be completely OP in low level stuff, but still useful for endgame. Something that would have made it more interesting, although RNG, would if using Inner Beast gave you a +60% Parry Buff for like 15 seconds + 300% heals. That way you could stack STR still, which would increase your Parry%

It would keep a bit more of it's Warriorness with that.

[Devils]

I tanked Titan for my Relic just fine with half DL, half AK and Titans Axe...idk what you're talking about. You seem to be just really bad at WAR, or your group doesn't know how to "adjust" to a WAR tank.
Coil is more demanding when it comes to WAR tank...but in one of our FC groups they had a WAR tank all the way to Turn 5 with DL and Relic, before he got any Myth/Allagan pieces, so your point is invalid.

WAR needed buffs for sure...but IMO they got ahead of themselves and exaggerated the buffs a bit. Take off the mitigation from Inner Beast and buff it back up to 300% healing. That's all it would take to really equal them out. IB is just over the top.

My point of far from invalid. tanking Titan with half DL and half AK one of two things happen 1) you are absolutely full of shit and trying to troll an argument on the internet 2) had way over geared healers to carry you through. Same thing goes for your DL/Relic WAR going to turn 5. I personally think it is number 1. There is nothing "bad" about being topped off (over 7k HP) taking a table flip followed by a crit auto attack and dying. In the same circumstance a DL PLD would have no problem and at least live to get the big heals coming his way. Not likely with a DL WAR.