Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

[Muziko]

I don't see how the 20% Defiance is equivalent to Shield Oath. Shield Oath still seems much better to me.

Shield Oath stops 20% of damage from coming in altogether. Less stress on healers because the damage never took place.

Defiance adds 20% percent to incoming heals after the fact. There's still a ton of stress on Mister WHM over there to pour those heals on.

Can someone explain why those two are supposedly equivalent even though WAR requires a healer to take advantage of this "mitigation"?

[Slayerxx]

i think a 2nd dps job needs silence, maybe blm or mnk, my only curiosity is how much will i heal a warrior with his healing buffs if i crit adloquim considering right now i can crit adl. for around 1.2k, solo war tank coil?

[Gardes]

I don't see how the 20% Defiance is equivalent to Shield Oath. Shield Oath still seems much better to me.

Shield Oath stops 20% of damage from coming in altogether. Less stress on healers because the damage never took place.

Defiance adds 20% percent to incoming heals after the fact. There's still a ton of stress on Mister WHM over there to pour those heals on.

Can someone explain why those two are supposedly equivalent even though WAR requires a healer to take advantage of this "mitigation"?

Because if a pld doesnt get healed, he'll still die? Go ahead, try using sentinel against mountain buster and then have everybody else stop doing what they're doing and see what happens.

[Muziko]

Because if a pld doesnt get healed, he'll still die? Go ahead, try using sentinel against mountain buster and then have everybody else stop doing what they're doing and see what happens.

You're dodging the question. Or perhaps you've missed the point of the post entirely.

[Dlewis1986]

smh I honestly don't like the new changes. I honestly hoped they would give us mit *pary* and give us some small heals based on dam we parried along with switching our cross class to drg. Idk from what I've read this just seems like the lazy way to fixing a problem that needed to be looked at more deeply.

[Gardes]

You're dodging the question. Or perhaps you've missed the point of the post entirely.

Nah, I just didnt forget that defiance also comes with the HP boost for the 'always on' side.

[Dlewis1986]

no mit for said hp makes it a moot point js. All in all war relied to heavily on healers but these supposed buffs really aren't that great imo

[Artshu]

I don't see how the 20% Defiance is equivalent to Shield Oath. Shield Oath still seems much better to me.

Shield Oath stops 20% of damage from coming in altogether. Less stress on healers because the damage never took place.


Can someone explain why those two are supposedly equivalent even though WAR requires a healer to take advantage of this "mitigation"?

well let say "mountain buster" is 4000 damage
heal II for 1500 hp

PLD hp 6000
PLD take "mountain buster" (4000*80%)= 3200 damage
PLD Hp remain 6000 - 3200 = 2800 = 46% HP remain
PLD get heal after that 2800 + 1500 = 4300 = 71% HP remain

WAR hp 8000
WAR take "Mountain buster" 4000 damage
WAR Hp remain 8000 - 4000 = 4000 = 50% HP remain
WAR get heal after that 4000 + (1500*120%) = 5800 = 72.5% HP remain

[ViktorMestrovic]

There's a pretty good chance anyone actually tanking titan as a WAR, because they need to do so for their relic quest, that they don't have 8k HP.. with thrill up for a short while they do.... but when that thing is on CD and mountain buster is landing and happens to hit you for 4-5k in full dl, preceded by a standard attack from Titan.. You need immediate healing to not die the moment the auto attack following mountain buster lands on you. This has never been an issue for PLD, even if wearing nothing but hoplite and AF mix.

I half expected warrior to have its true blood bath returned to it alongside the real steel cyclone, not this entirely unnecessary and underwhelming fodder of a signature class ability. Why use steel cyclone even with hate gain when my overpower is better at hate generation and doesn't waste an IB that will help the healers conserve mp and keep me alive easier?

[TirionCrey]

My point of far from invalid. tanking Titan with half DL and half AK one of two things happen 1) you are absolutely full of shit and trying to troll an argument on the internet 2) had way over geared healers to carry you through. Same thing goes for your DL/Relic WAR going to turn 5. I personally think it is number 1. There is nothing "bad" about being topped off (over 7k HP) taking a table flip followed by a crit auto attack and dying. In the same circumstance a DL PLD would have no problem and at least live to get the big heals coming his way. Not likely with a DL WAR.

Are you somehow "handicapped"? The Healers were in DL/AK as well(to get their Relics) and Garuda/Titan Weaps...
There is nothing on Titan that can one/twoshot you...NOTHING. Mountain Buster are the only "dangerous" moments, but people know when they are coming, so I get Stoneskin and Adloquouium before it hits and I barely get below 50% HP...Virus, Eye for an Eye, Rain of Death...all ways to lower the dmg as well...

You must be in a FC with some really bad players...according to your description a WAR would never be able to tank Twintanie on Death Sentence ever...which has been done several times (with said Stoneskin/Adloquouium) tactics...if you can't rely on your group to do whatever they can to help mitigate damage, don't bother trying Twintania...you will never succeed.