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    xyaie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    Then as stated before, you have nothing of value to add to this thread other than your bitter disbeliefs
    Im pretty sure i mentioned stuff there beyond "nope, this is bad" or "cant be done"
    also pretty sure i even acknowledged (believed) the parse was valid for what it was, but that she was comparing apples and oranges. Rather than simply telling someone "i dont like what youre saying go away" i brought up points that could be spoken about, trying to figure out why she gets higher results by using lower potency. I also even mentioned something (mentioned before) as to why i cant perform the test youre asking me to do, but rather than explaining how i can jump twice within 8 seconds, you simply tell me im not contributing, simple enough, going back to considering this a troll.
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    Marius Daemonicus
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    Quote Originally Posted by xyaie View Post
    Im pretty sure i mentioned stuff there beyond "nope, this is bad" or "cant be done"
    also pretty sure i even acknowledged (believed) the parse was valid for what it was, but that she was comparing apples and oranges. Rather than simply telling someone "i dont like what youre saying go away" i brought up points that could be spoken about, trying to figure out why she gets higher results by using lower potency. I also even mentioned something (mentioned before) as to why i cant perform the test youre asking me to do, but rather than explaining how i can jump twice within 8 seconds, you simply tell me im not contributing, simple enough, going back to considering this a troll.
    They are trolling you. Just ignore them.
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    Longnu Era
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    Quote Originally Posted by B0nes View Post
    I don't quite get what you're saying here. You say that you invented this rotation for titan and coil, but you also say that you only parse the burst part of your rotation. Titan and coil are sustained fights, not burst fights. You really should parse this rotation over a long period as said above by a few people, and then compare it to the "cookie cutter" over the same time period, being a sustained fight (5 mins +).
    This argument is easily defeated by fighting any boss mechanic which demands player movement. There is no target that sits still for 5 or 10 minutes. Turn 4 is pretty much all adds that die quickly. Especially Titan which requires off-and-on swaps (which the focus of this rotation is on, easier DPS output on swapped targets) Basically I'm saying this 5-10 min 'window' is bogus and created by unofficial speculation, which is far from infallible.

    Quote Originally Posted by xyaie View Post
    Im pretty sure i mentioned stuff there beyond "nope, this is bad" or "cant be done"
    also pretty sure i even acknowledged (believed) the parse was valid for what it was, but that she was comparing apples and oranges.
    And you're not? You're asking us to perform your own formulated tests then telling us we are wrong because we don't fit your results yet somehow when said tables are turned - you refuse to do it? Just an objective assessment pointing out the fallacy of said logic. There is no rule dedicated to a 1, 5, 15 or hour long parse. As long as this remains unconfirmed officially, this is nothing more than speculation and rumor to gain false theoretical DPS which is nothing more than theory. As a matter of fact, it went from 3 min to 5 min and now 7 mins? Let me guess, next session is 10 or 15?

    The parses I took were from boss fights, not burst phases.
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    Last edited by LongNu; 11-04-2013 at 05:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongNu View Post
    Where's this double Jump he's talking about?
    You could have just admitted you made a mistake in your listed rotation, but instead you edit it out and act like it didn't happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by LongNu View Post
    This argument is easily defeated by fighting any boss mechanic which demands player movement. There is no target that sits still for 5 or 10 minutes. Turn 4 is pretty much all adds that die quickly. Especially Titan which requires off-and-on swaps (which the focus of this rotation is on, easier DPS output on swapped targets) Basically I'm saying this 5-10 min 'window' is bogus and created by unofficial speculation, which is far from infallible.
    With the exception of turn 4, most coil fights are sustained. You're trying to tell me that caduceus, ADS and Twintania (I understand there are different phases) are burst fights and not 5-10+ minute sustained fights? All I said to try was compare both rotations under the same circumstances. For fights with movement, wouldn't dots be better as you always have some dps on the target even when moving? The only real times you shouldn't have dps on titan is when he jumps and if you're rocked, so the other 95% should be dps uptime (yes, I use a different rotation to burst down weaker targets eg titans rock).
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    Last edited by B0nes; 11-04-2013 at 06:42 PM. Reason: length