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  1. #51
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    Eclips Astral
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odox View Post
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    I'm not angry or anything pal, things have just become so absurd at this point that I can't help but put it in the simplest and easily understood way possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by LongNu View Post
    Faulty parsers can't prove anything but here's my proof of max dps (tm) using a faulty parser as evidence.
    Here's the thing: You have ZERO hard evidence to back up the claim that your rotation is any better than another.

    Further, you're missing the point of how to actually maximize DPS as a dragoon. Not only is this post title misleading, this is nothing more than even more circlejerking that belongs in the other thread.
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  2. #52
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    Ayvar has hit the nail on the head lol. Your "Invented" rotation is actually worse than EasymodeX's rotation. You also seem to come off as abit of a dick when anyone questions your holy magical invented rotation (which is basically easymodeX's rotation but with worse DS and CT timing)

    Ayvar and EasymodeX have both been very helpful to the DRG community and I am very grateful to them.
    Someone posted a meaningful parse on training dummies over 5 minutes with multiple parses all ~270 dps why don't you do the same if you have the "maximised dragoon DPS" all though the way you try to manipulate parser results in your favour to stroke your own epeen I doubt anyone would even believe you anyway. Saying that DRG is only for burst damage is also bad, once you get to twintania you will realize the tp requirements over a long fight is where DRG does shine with the ability to quickly burst conflags/dreadknights also. Not every boss in this game lasts 90 seconds.
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  3. #53
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    One of the ways FFXIV-APP's displayed DPS is flawed becomes apparent when you apply a DoT attack (Chaos Thrust combo) and stop attacking (maybe due to downtime on a boss, mechanics, etc.) Try it on a dummy. Use your CT combo and move away and you will see your DPS drop drastically because the parser still counts the time in which your DoT ticks as you being on the target. If you reset, use your Full Thrust combo, and then move away you will notice your DPS doesn't drop at all. Even though you did more damage overall and over the course of 3 globals with the CT combo, the parser will display your DPS as being lower than if you had just used a FT combo. It's why I tend to value total damage done over DPS.
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  4. #54
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    @Eclips I was joking at the fact that you only had 3 posts and all three were basically you hitting a boiling point for these "MAX DPS" threads. =P

    Quote Originally Posted by LongNu View Post
    My presentation is that this rotation does more DPS in any length of time and hinges more on a priority system. Try it yourself.
    Why should I or anyone else provide the evidence that what YOU claim is true? Oh and ANY length of time? ONE 83 second parse that was likely done on a boss with no mechanics/disconnects is not proof that your rotation is the end all rotation for DRG. You would need to post video evidence of you doing the rotation successfully on multiple length/mechanic fights and your parse from them to be taken seriously at this point. Otherwise this thread is just a joke.
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    Minfilia must needs better translator.

  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odox View Post
    Why should I or anyone else provide the evidence that what YOU claim is true?
    I don't lose anything by you not taking my evidence. At the same time, I don't have to play your little game either. Which btw, has no official confirmation on correctness. If I were to make side by side parses of the other rotation vs this and show this one is coming out higher then it would be another circle of endless 'do this and do that'. So instead, why not do your own and make your own judgment? I presented something that does more DPS than the other rotation, in every way based on my own tests and you refused to accept it without doing your own tests. This is not my problem, this is yours. The best way to get something done is to do it yourself. Up to now, I have yet to be disproved by any post here other than vile, arguably angry criticisms that serve no purpose in an objective goal to truly determine what does more.
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    Last edited by LongNu; 11-05-2013 at 02:37 AM.

  6. #56
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    From the first post:

    "7) For example, HT must always be kept up and PH should benefit from it at all times. DS should also be kept up but CT DoT can fall off occasionally due to its low potency."

    False. Chaos thrust has a total potency of 360, it is our most potent ability and should be up at all times.

    Your shitty rotation lets chaos thrust fall off for 33.6s - 20s = 13.6 seconds with each full rotation assuming a 2.4s GCD.




    Phlebotomize is our 3rd most potent ability after chaos thrust and comboed full thrust @290 potency. Your rotation lets it fall off for over 3.6 seconds assuming that you have a GCD of 2.4, but the fact you have dragonfire dive and spinshatter in there too this is probably closer to 4-5 seconds without plebotomize up.

    I fail to see how your rotation is any better.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclips View Post
    You don't have my evidence.
    Fixed it for you. Calm down, you're getting rabid and quickly becoming what you hate.

    Quote Originally Posted by pompey_dan View Post
    I fail to see how your rotation is any better.
    You're arguing schematics without tests. Your issue, not mine.

    Up to now, I have not been disproved.
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    Last edited by LongNu; 11-05-2013 at 03:03 AM.

  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclips View Post
    Does anyone that posts in this thread even regularly do coil I mean jesus, these people.
    Judging by OPs gear and his fellow FC members gear, I'd guess... NO or just T1

    Quote Originally Posted by LongNu View Post
    You're arguing schematics without tests... Up to now, I have not been disproved.
    You also haven't proven yourself. so... yea... =/

    All you have done is make yourself look dumber and dumber with every post you make. It's become quite entertaining. Fact of the matter still lies that you have no proof that this is the end all be all MAX DPS ROTATION for DRG.
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    Minfilia must needs better translator.

  9. #59
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    This Longu guy is like the kid who goes on one date and thinks he's the biggest player of all time.

    http://imgur.com/43FdGHp

    My rotation is phenomenally better than yours. Prove me wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclips View Post
    This Longu guy is like the kid who goes on one date and thinks he's the biggest player of all time.

    http://imgur.com/43FdGHp

    My rotation is phenomenally better than yours. Prove me wrong.
    LMFAO! I LOVE THIS POST RIGHT HERE! I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE MUCH EVIDENCE BUT I AM ACTUALLY LOLING!
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    Minfilia must needs better translator.

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