How To: Maximize Your DPS as Dragoon

[LongNu]

Did you try it yet in Coil and Titan with the movement and phase switching of the different mechanics yet? And I think I will try it out. Granted, it doesn't matter which one you use. It'll all need quick thinking on your feet, due to there being constant breaks in between your skill combo sets due to the number of mechanics present or HP not lasting that long enough to finish them.

That's specifically why I invented this rotation. Coil and Titan require more movement intensive fights. In addition, getting DS up faster adds to your Bard(s) putting in damage faster. There is literally no drawback to this rotation as it is an improvement to you and your group on a whole. Also, nothing in life is perfect so there's times where full setups aren't possible, but the point is that it will be easier to get it in.

[Ronzeru]

I've always used somewhat of a Hybrid between your rotation and the other thread's rotation either. Using the other thread's rotation as the normal one, yet breaking into yours depending on party composition/fightphase/enemies hp/mechanics currently going off. For example. If you have more piercing damage in your party in a coil run, and wanna get that 10% piercing bonus up for the other bards faster, while stacking your dots so they can be ticking down on one mob while you move onto the next target like in Turn 4.

[LongNu]

I've always used somewhat of a Hybrid between your rotation and the other thread's rotation either. Using the other thread's rotation as the normal one, yet breaking into yours depending on party composition/fightphase/enemies hp/mechanics currently going off. For example. If you have more piercing damage in your party in a coil run, and wanna get that 10% piercing bonus up for the other bards faster, while stacking your dots so they can be ticking down on one mob while you move onto the next target like in Turn 4.

That sounds just about right. Generally I try to get DS up as soon as possible for my Bard. It's been a noticeable difference if I do my rotation vs cookie-cutter. My bard gets more hits in faster than me and for adds on T4, downing adds is just about the whole fight so if I can speed that process up then we're doing it right. We can clear trash quicker and be prepared for the dreads.

1) This is NOT a static Rotation, there are times where you'll need to use your own wits to figure out what to fit in based on the situation.
^--- This is pretty much it to a T

[LongNu]

Here is parsed results of a 300+ DPS fight using no LB
http://i.imgur.com/C6y86jx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1vqcU0V.jpg

[xyaie]

Here is parsed results of a 300+ DPS fight using no LB
http://i.imgur.com/C6y86jx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1vqcU0V.jpg

83 seconds and.. 83 seconds, those are both the same parse. But 83s makes the dps make more since

[LongNu]

83 seconds and.. 83 seconds, those are both the same parse. But 83s makes the dps make more since

It's the same parse, showing there is no LB. Your posts add nothing to this thread other than your own noteworthy disbelief. You have yet to disprove anything here. The other rotation is less in DPS output. Period. I have tested both extensively. Feel free to try it yourself.

[Zabuza]

83 seconds and.. 83 seconds, those are both the same parse. But 83s makes the dps make more since

Instead of criticizing you should try both of these rotations yourself and parse before you decide to throw out blind criticism, and simply disbelieving something just because it doesn't match up to your ideas.

[xyaie]

It's the same parse, showing there is no LB. Your posts add nothing to this thread other than your own noteworthy disbelief. You have yet to disprove anything here. The other rotation is less in DPS output. Period. I have tested both extensively. Feel free to try it yourself.

It does show that there is no LB, i was simply pointing out youre taking parses from the other thread that did 286 dps as you stated earlier (less than yours), then posted a parse to prove your rotation's effectiveness, however the parse is under a vastly different situation. A 83 second parse will be higher than a 300 second parse. If i did the full thrust combo over and over, nothing but it, in a 30 second parse, im willing to bet it would result in higher DPS than your parse. Does that make it better?

Instead of criticizing you should try both of these rotations yourself and parse before you decide to throw out blind criticism, and simply disbelieving something just because it doesn't match up to your ideas.

I wish i could, unfortunately im incapable of performing jump roughly 7.5 seconds after the last jump. Mine has a longer CD on it. I get the feeling anyway that if i was to test out the rotation and get a lower DPS than hers it would be decided it was player error or something else rather than the other rotation simply being better. what would that accomplish?

[Zabuza]

It does show that there is no LB, i was simply pointing out youre taking parses from the other thread that did 286 dps as you stated earlier (less than yours), then posted a parse to prove your rotation's effectiveness, however the parse is under a vastly different situation. A 83 second parse will be higher than a 300 second parse. If i did the full thrust combo over and over, nothing but it, in a 30 second parse, im willing to bet it would result in higher DPS than your parse. Does that make it better?



I wish i could, unfortunately im incapable of performing jump roughly 7.5 seconds after the last jump. Mine has a longer CD on it. I get the feeling anyway that if i was to test out the rotation and get a lower DPS than hers it would be decided it was player error or something else rather than the other rotation simply being better. what would that accomplish?

Then as stated before, you have nothing of value to add to this thread other than your bitter disbeliefs

[Alenore]

I think you missed the part where I said you had to parse over 5 minutes to have an approximately correct parse.
But since we're at showing useless numbers : http://f.cl.ly/items/1i400t3k163e0R0F2e3q/parse2..png
No LB either, Wyrm's mail, full DL (didn't have allagan earring at the time).

Edit : if I had a 40% crit rate as you, i'd have an higher dps : 322

Now :
- Approximately 40% of your strikes are critical strikes. That's a lot of RNG here, even if Internal release was up 100% of the time.
- There's 2 Dragonfire Dive counted. The parse lasting roughly 85 seconds, i'd like to know how it can happen (except if it was on a boss where you could hit other adds, like Tonberry)
- Your BfB was available 2 times during the fight, even if the second probably lasted only 7 seconds or so. Same for internal release, who faded just at the end of the fight (if you did use your skills like you say you do), and same for life surge. Cooldowns having an higher uptime, your dps is increased.
- You were in a party, you had the str bonus.
- We don't know if under the effect of food or not

Now, two possibilities.
1) Show us the same numbers using your rotation on a real fight, at least Ifrit. Something that isn't killed in less than 2 minutes please.
2) Show us this DPS on a striking dummy.

I'm not saying the rotation in the other thread is perfect : it's supposed to be a very good rotation in the most perfect fight possible, and I do agree you can't follow it in a lot of fights. But if you're going to say yours is better, don't just link a screenshot of a 84 seconds fight.
I'll make sure to try it as soon as i'll be able to log in though.