Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Sterob]

Bringing melees in coil increase the difficulty no matter what.
Melees are more prone to take damage increasing heal needed. Dodging AoE for melees is more difficult than for range.
Melees are forcing more work for tanks. Tanks must watch out that cleave do not affect melee like in Turn 2.
Melees make some boss fights mechanics harder like Allagan Rot (you must be carefull not to cross path with a melee)

Stop spreading misinformation, bringing melee is no harder than range. For turn 4 mechanic ppl need 2 magical dps and 2 physical dps. They need 1 bard for silence so MNK, DRG and BRD is the candidate the last spot. If you want to qq about why you can get in coil qq about the game dungeon mechanic or why you deal physical instead magical damage.

Either you are bad or you do not take damage at all. All aoe hit melee hit range as well.
In turn 2 there is no way melee can be hit by cleave when tank spread out 90 degree.
Rot does not make melee life harder if you know how to cycle rot.

Crying for brd nerf because they have to work more and you dont which result your melee being less favourable, is simply senseless.

[EasymodeX]

I would say switch Straight Shot to a casttime ability, or switch WB and VB to casted abilities. Shrug, or all 3. Having roughly 2-3 out of 8 abilities require stationary positioning should be fine. After all, Bards are busy pressing other utility buttons.

Sidenote: after reviewing a few times, I think 2 or less hardcasts would be appropriate. Having SS, WB, and VB all be casted abilities is too much, IMO. So either the two DOTs or just SS.

Edit: that said, an actual direct DPS reduction wouldn't be too bad if they also reduced the damage penalty on the bard songs to like 10% instead of 20%.

[Hairo]

Why are people acting like they wouldn't see this coming?

even if they still slightly nerf the bard, you will always have a spot in a raid and end game. Currently most coil raids have 2 or 1 bards, and going forward you will still have at least 1 bard maybe 2 - (i don't know - none of us know what this nerf will do!).

You will still be needed due to silence, kitting, songs, and without sounding like an ass the bard class covers for peoples weaknesses, where as compared to the monk and to the lesser extent drg you can tell bad players.

Also i don't think the QQing on the forums is what led the changes to be made in the up coming patch, am sure the dev team have been monitoring the game, and how classes have been used and will continue to tweak classes, jobs going forward. EG warrior changes are also an example of this, most people knew that the warrior class would get a bump up.

[Woodberry]

Also i don't think the QQing on the forums is what led the changes to be made in the up coming patch, am sure the dev team have been monitoring the game, and how classes have been used and will continue to tweak classes, jobs going forward. EG warrior changes are also an example of this, most people knew that the warrior class would get a bump up.

I would say QQ had a factor in it, specifically because BRD dps isn't the problem, the utility is. While DRG and MNK both have some utility in increasing damage, BRD has that as well as having mana/TP regen and a really good damage debuff. Plus they don't have to screw up their DPS to use their silence.

Maybe I'm still a little bitter from GW2 when warriors got nerfed early due to QQ. Turns out it wasn't OP and warrior PvP really never recovered.

[EasymodeX]

Tbh it will be interesting to see how SE handles the first notable class balance change.

[Hairo]

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You have got to remember the people posting of the forums are still a minority to all the people playing the game; The only factor the forums had was to point out a potential issue. It was the development teams analysis, investigation and finally their decision to make.

But like i said before people have already been calling out that bards would get a nerf and warriors a bump up since a few weeks ago; as a drg i wasn't expecting any changes but i won't say no to free buffs mwahaha

Come on you have to be honest with your self, how many times have your seen bards being shouted out for certain requirements?! They had to do something to address the issue with Bards and warroirs. Otherwise if people are getting left out of content, those people will most likely quit the game meaning a loss for SE.

Remember at the end of the day this is all business to them!

[mythicrose]

I would say switch Straight Shot to a casttime ability, or switch WB and VB to casted abilities. Shrug, or all 3. Having roughly 2-3 out of 8 abilities require stationary positioning should be fine. After all, Bards are busy pressing other utility buttons.

Sidenote: after reviewing a few times, I think 2 or less hardcasts would be appropriate. Having SS, WB, and VB all be casted abilities is too much, IMO. So either the two DOTs or just SS.

Edit: that said, an actual direct DPS reduction wouldn't be too bad if they also reduced the damage penalty on the bard songs to like 10% instead of 20%.

Pretty much what I had said a week or two ago (SS cast time). No need to nerf the actual damage, but making them more in line with other ranged dps.

[Wolfhammer]

Well I'm not going to scream and shout at the moon yet as none of us know in what form the nerf will take. I'm a gnats nut sack away from lvl 46 so soon I'll be hopping on the treadmill so I cant comment about end game..

I'll wait and see what happens.. If I hate it I can always re-roll, or even leave the game..

One thing I can say however is "congrats to all the whiners, you just made your own lives harder".... Kind of balances out when I think of it that way.

[Nysneirdre]

It was the development teams analysis, investigation and finally their decision to make.


Come on you have to be honest with your self, how many times have your seen bards being shouted out for certain requirements?! !

Well one could state, why didn't they see these alleged issues in beta testing? The game is released then all of the sudden bards are a problem? Also with saying that groups like to pick up a bard for certain requirements is asinine. Guess we could say the same about a paladin for certain requirements like tanking!

This whole thread is full of the typical hyperbole that is pretty standard with MMO forums when the trolls get angry about certain aspects of classes they dislike.

[EasymodeX]

Guess we could say the same about a paladin for certain requirements like tanking!

Which is why WARs are getting buffed, or something.