Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[Volsung]

No, its simply like how in XI you can make any combo of main/sub you want, but for common sense you just don't because most of them are inefficient. Some have their places though. And so what if there is a healer that is not as good at healing but can hit harder? thats like a WHM using a light staff in XI vs a whm using a DPS club. They'll each be a bit better at certain things (granted that game lets you gear swap for magic/WS/abilities)

So the game lets you do it, but out of common sense you just wont unless for specific reasons. XI doesnt have an influx of DRG/SMN running around, even though you can.

[Cairdeas]

what I want is for people like you to stop being gimp

Gimp is your opinion and when I do it on my own time it has no impact on you.

[Cairdeas]

No, its simply like how in XI you can make any combo of main/sub you want, but for common sense you just don't because most of them are inefficient. Some have their places though. And so what if there is a healer that is not as good at healing but can hit harder? thats like a WHM using a light staff in XI vs a whm using a DPS club. They'll each be a bit better at certain things (granted that game lets you gear swap for magic/WS/abilities)

So the game lets you do it, but out of common sense you just wont unless for specific reasons. XI doesnt have an influx of DRG/SMN running around, even though you can.

Exactly and the same thing would happen in XIV. Dont stifle the experimentation because you think something is gimp. let the playerbase figure it out, once they do people will avoid options that are inferior automatically. But you don't limit someone from trying something new and having fun.

Because even if you experiment and fail, you still have fun. Thats why I love the Job system in XI and T and all the other Job system FF games. It doesn't pidgeon hole you into one choice that you can never take back.

[Dubont]

Gimp is your opinion and when I do it on my own time it has no impact on you.

Gimp is not my opinion if something is blatantly inefficient. CON using Templar's gear? Gimp. CON with no con skills equip? Gimp. DRG/SMN? GIMP to hell and back. WHM/DRG? lawl gimp. Gimp isn't an opinion, it's a fact and the fact is that YOU are gimp. PLD with a lance...ha..

[Sorel]

so...in other words....you want the game to let you ruin other players' experiences by being a gimp? No thanks.

Sorry to intrude, but how does how I choose to play and develop my character in any way ruin your gaming experience?

Also, I am sure in the early days of FFXI the first RDM/DRK or WHM/SMN might have been considered "gimped". However they, and many other non-intuitive job combination have proven to be very effective in many aspects of both party and solo gameplay.

We ask that we keep the same freedom of experimentation that we had in FFXI in FFXIV. Taking that freedom of experimentation away would be somewhat of a step backwards in many players opinion.

[Dubont]

Sorry to intrude, but how does how I choose to play and develop my character in any way ruin your gaming experience?

Also, I am sure in the early days of FFXI the first RDM/DRK or WHM/SMN might have been considered "gimped". However they, and many other non-intuitive job combination have proven to be very effective in many aspects of both party and solo gameplay.

We ask that we keep the same freedom of experimentation that we had in FFXI in FFXIV. Taking that freedom of experimentation away would be somewhat of a step backwards in many players opinion.

Sorry, if you come to a party with the wrong job combination, horrible gear, none of the necessary spells and no idea how to play your job, you're ruining my gaming experience. Example: PLD with a lance lol..

[Rustyhagun]

This topic is my number one concern when I read about the job system. From what we know I am very worried that Jobs will be locked to a certain class.

So if GLA unlocks PLD does that mean I won't be able to use a Great Sword?

If Great Sword becomes a new class what job will it unlock? DRK maybe but then will that be tied to Great Sword so no Scythes ; ;

What Class will unlock what job and how many jobs are unlocked per class? Will I have to level GLA a job I am not fond off to get access to PLD and DRK. CON will most certainly unlock WHM and BLM so I would guess 2 Job's per class. So with GLA if it did unlock DRK and PLD are both expected to use Sword? Would a new weapon set be unlocked for that Job? I think it would have to unlock something.

Just have so many questions about this and want to know if I am making progress in the right classes to get access to the Jobs I want.

I could have sworn Yoshi said a few letters back that they are re-doing how weapons are assigned to classes, to make it more diverse(More like how FFXI weapon selection works), to go along side the changes being implemented with the battle and class to job upgrades.

This is were a lot of us are missing the point. A lot of you think the weapon assignments are going to remain the same, but I really think Yoshi is gong too put it back to how FFXI had it. As in, what ever Job/Class the weapon says can use it, can use it.

eg. There will be a weapons that will read:

Holy sword Job/classes that can equip: Gld, War, Wht, Pld.
Elm staff Job/classes that can equip: Wht, Monk, Blk mage, Shepard.

You see where I am going with this? Weapons will have more diversity as too whom can wield them.
-Equipping your weapon will no longer set you to a Class/Job. Selecting the Class/Job(from your drop down), will Now set you to your class/job.

People need to start forgetting the game/battle mechanics they are playing now. As it's drastically going too change soon.

Start recording memories.

[Cairdeas]

Sorry to intrude, but how does how I choose to play and develop my character in any way ruin your gaming experience?

Also, I am sure in the early days of FFXI the first RDM/DRK or WHM/SMN might have been considered "gimped". However they, and many other non-intuitive job combination have proven to be very effective in many aspects of both party and solo gameplay.

We ask that we keep the same freedom of experimentation that we had in FFXI in FFXIV. Taking that freedom of experimentation away would be somewhat of a step backwards in many players opinion.

Quoted in the first post.

But to be honest Sorel this whole topic now feels just like the debate on Missing Genders.

Its One Side who wants the freedom. Vs One side who isn't impacted by said freedom and wants to restrict players from that freedom for their own selfish reasons.

Sorry, if you come to a party with the wrong job combination, horrible gear, none of the necessary spells and no idea how to play your job, you're ruining my gaming experience. Example: PLD with a lance lol..

I have shown how a Paladin with a Lance in FFXI can be a great tank. Especially on Birds. Its the most popular choice. Hell you don't even need /War if you do it, you can just use /sam and use saigan and third eye.

Just because you don't like a choice for some preconceived notion doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to use it. If we do use it and it doesn't work obviously we wont use it anymore. Thats the whole point of experimentation.

[Dubont]

Quoted in the first post.

But to be honest Sorel this whole topic now feels just like the debate on Missing Genders.

Its One Side who wants the freedom. Vs One side who isn't impacted by said freedom and wants to restrict players from that freedom for their own selfish reasons.

No, I just don't want to be forced (no freedom) to play with players who are gimp to the bone. Example: You.

[Reika]

I will be upset if i can no longer use my Sacrifice III on my DoW classes >=(. Cept lancer and archer, they be way too low.