Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

You don't know what jobs they will be releasing when it's finalized. All you saw was concept art for Black Mage and Evil Armor (Dark Knight) which doesn't equal what will be released when it's finished. BLM is a safe assumption, but DRK is really up in the air.

The head ache attached to discussions like these are that they are not entirely rational and contradict what the basis of their planning is. They are keeping the armory system, therefor, the weapons are locked. Jobs are just an extension of the classes.

[Cairdeas]

I use a staff/club and I'm definitely NOT a healer. Lancers are far from tanks btw.

I tanked Birds as a Paladin with a Polearm in FFXI.

How are Lancers not tanks? All lancer is is your weapon. Your playstyle defines you as a tank.

Paladin is the Playstyle, It says your a tank, At that point it doesn't matter what weapon you equip you'll ALWAYS be a tank. so you shouldn't be limited to playing TANK with what ever weapon you prefer.

IE Once you equip Paladin you'll always have access to all the skills from the current skills you know that Paladin can use, All the skills paladin gives you on its own. Plus all the bonuses Paladin gives you as a Job. Weapon no longer matters once you unlock the job.

[Teknoman]

As long as I dont see Dragoons running around with daggers. I think they are still trying to model the game closer to offline final fantasy titles instead of being just like XI...so expect to see jobs locked to certain weapon types.

[Focant]

Weapon doesn't necessarily define a play style. The abilities and skills at ones disposal, however, does. A white mage may use a scythe, an axe, a sword, whatever. At its core though it is still a whm, defined by the skills given to it including cures and status removal spells. This applies for any job. No matter the weapon if the skillset is the same the role is, effectively, the same.

[Cairdeas]

Weapon doesn't necessarily define a play style. The abilities and skills at ones disposal, however, does. A white mage may use a scythe, an axe, a sword, whatever. At its core though it is still a whm, defined by the skills given to it including cures and status removal spells. This applies for any job. No matter the weapon if the skillset is the same the role is, effectively, the same.

That is what I've been trying to say this whole time. The Job is just a Role Specilization it doesn't go away just because you changed weapons

A White Mage using an Axe, Lance, Staff, Fist, Arrow, Etc. It doesn't matter what weapon you equip. White Mage is a HEALER.

As long as I dont see Dragoons running around with daggers. I think they are still trying to model the game closer to offline final fantasy titles instead of being just like XI...so expect to see jobs locked to certain weapon types.

Why? I did DRG/Nin with dual daggers in XI and it was lots of fun.

[Dubont]

Should a Gladiator be allowed to become a Thief?

Should a Lancer be allowed to become a Thief?

Should a Pugilist be allowed to become a Thief?

Does anyone have any idea who should be allowed to become a Thief???

Gladiator, yes because they can use the daggers. Lancer, no. Pugilist....maybe. That one is a toss up.

[Teknoman]

You'd think a pugilist would branch out to either thief or monk (or whatever they have planned). Especially since Pugilist had a steal skill planned...unless we just need to throw everything we know about the dats out the window lol.

[Dubont]

I tanked Birds as a Paladin with a Polearm in FFXI.

How are Lancers not tanks? All lancer is is your weapon. Your playstyle defines you as a tank.

Paladin is the Playstyle, It says your a tank, At that point it doesn't matter what weapon you equip you'll ALWAYS be a tank. so you shouldn't be limited to playing TANK with what ever weapon you prefer.

IE Once you equip Paladin you'll always have access to all the skills from the current skills you know that Paladin can use, All the skills paladin gives you on its own. Plus all the bonuses Paladin gives you as a Job. Weapon no longer matters once you unlock the job.

A PALADIN is a tank, but a LANCER is not. Yes, you tanked using a lance in FFXI, but in FFXI, PALADIN had set skills, traits and stats to tank with really any weapon (Shield being the best, followed by staff). In FFXIV, there is no PALADIN. If you use a lance, you are a LANCER and LANCER is not a tank by any means. You go on with "playstyles," but just because you have a playstyle that you like doesn't make it a good one. An Archer can use GLA skills, but archer is NOT A TANK. Are you really so ignorant that you can't see this?

[Dreadnought]

/sigh
im still waiting for an MMO where i can choose to make my lancer a Thunder nuking lancer with crap def/eva and high dex/int........
....... why cant i has that?

[Jinko]

i skimmed over all the bickering and decided not to quote into it.
its hard to tell exactly how the new system will work, but wont pidgeon holding the jobs/classes essentially make them just a standard class system like every other MMO? only.... without the ability to spend points in a skill tree?
idk, it just seems like a step backward. Rifts job/class system if fun, WoWs job/class system is boring, which is what this looks like its going towards.

And yet WoW is the most successful MMO out there and has some of the best end game boss mechanics in the genre.

Rift's class system is interesting enough but it still requires you to chose a role before deciding where to spend your talent points.

A White Mage using an Axe, Lance, Staff, Fist, Arrow, Etc. It doesn't matter what weapon you equip. White Mage is a HEALER

Are you purposely trying to evade the point ?

The armoury system dictates that X weapon = X class, you are suggesting they throw the armoury system away to allow us to play with any weapon, this has nothing to do with jobs which is designed for play style/roles and uniqueness.

What you are asking for is never EVER going to happen., do you really want me to come back in a month and say "I told you so" again.