Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[Cairdeas]

Your point? Paladin wasn't good with a bow, despite being able to use them. Paladin's main 2 weapons were Sword+Shield and staff. Everything else was subpar and essentially useless. In some FF's, black mage could use a sword....but they should never use a sword. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. Stop trying to justify being a gimp.

Your point is "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" That specifically is how you should look at the System. The game shouldn't limit you from those choices. You yourself should after debating with yourself if the choice you made is valid, or if it is counter productive.

Again the GAME shouldn't force you into those holes, you should yourself, or by player opinion. The same way subjobs did in FFXI.

[Dubont]

Your point is "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" That specifically is how you should look at the System. The game shouldn't limit you from those choices. You yourself should after debating with yourself if the choice you made is valid, or if it is counter productive.

Again the GAME shouldn't force you into those holes, you should yourself, or by player opinion. The same way subjobs did in FFXI.

this isn't FFXI. This game, FFXIV, is a different game with different mechanics. If you want to play a whitemage, you shouldn't be able to use MRD (a class with no magical skills at all) to unlock it (A class with the best healing skills in the FF universe). This, again, goes back to Fire Emblem. Mages couldn't unlock Assassins. Thieves couldn't unlock Sages. It. Doesn't. Work. Again, stop trying to justify being a gimp.

[Cairdeas]

this isn't FFXI. This game, FFXIV, is a different game with different mechanics. If you want to play a whitemage, you shouldn't be able to use MRD (a class with no magical skills at all) to unlock it (A class with the best healing skills in the FF universe). This, again, goes back to Fire Emblem. Mages couldn't unlock Assassins. Thieves couldn't unlock Sages. It. Doesn't. Work. Again, stop trying to justify being a gimp.

Stop putting words into my mouth.

I didn't say Marauder would unlock White Mage. Most likely Conjurer Would. But once you unlock that Job and have it equipped you shouldn't be forced to stay using that weapon. IE you can then switch to Thaumaturge as your weapon and still be a white mage.

[Dubont]

Stop putting words into my mouth.

I didn't say Marauder would unlock White Mage. Most likely Conjurer Would. But once you unlock that Job and have it equipped you shouldn't be forced to stay using that weapon. IE you can then switch to Thaumaturge as your weapon and still be a white mage.

Jobs will not be based off of weapons (most likely) but they will (most likely) have a weapon that they are best with. If this happens, and someone is using the wrong weapon, they can expect to be blisted by everyone. The current system doesn't allow for retardation when it comes to gear. The new system will.

[Cairdeas]

Jobs will not be based off of weapons (most likely) but they will (most likely) have a weapon that they are best with. If this happens, and someone is using the wrong weapon, they can expect to be blisted by everyone. The current system doesn't allow for retardation when it comes to gear. The new system will.

Fine but let those choices be up to the player and the playerbase. Not the game.

Some of the best fun I had playing past FF's and even in FFXI was doing things not "Normal" or "Against the Grain" for most people.

I played an entire Playthrough of FFT with 4 White Mages wield Hand Axes and each one using a different sub skill (One black mage, one geomancer, one thief, and one dragoon.)

Half the fun of playing Final Fantasy's Especially the ones with job systems is experimentation. Which means allowing a player to use everything at their discretion with proper penalties for going against the grain and making up for it with ingenuity

[Dubont]

Fine but let those choices be up to the player and the playerbase. Not the game.

Some of the best fun I had playing past FF's and even in FFXI was doing things not "Normal" or "Against the Grain" for most people.

I played an entire Playthrough of FFT with 4 White Mages wield Hand Axes and each one using a different sub skill (One black mage, one geomancer, one thief, and one dragoon.)

Half the fun of playing Final Fantasy's Especially the ones with job systems is experimentation. Which means allowing a player to use everything at their discretion with proper penalties for going against the grain and making up for it with ingenuity

so...in other words....you want the game to let you ruin other players' experiences by being a gimp? No thanks.

[Zenaku]

so...in other words....you want the game to let you ruin other players' experiences by being a gimp? No thanks.

he just want to use his fav wep with his fav role lol when he does not understand if let's say you unlock the job at 30 players would get everything 30 and just get there fav class to 50 and pretty much now have every dam job max level without even touching the class again.

[Cairdeas]

so...in other words....you want the game to let you ruin other players' experiences by being a gimp? No thanks.

No, I want the choice to Experiment on my own. I've never brought an Experiment combination with me to a Party in XI. I did bring them to special events and they always performed remarkably for the event in question.

Experimentation is how Ninja became abused yes, but the game would have never evolved and we'd be stuck with only one tank in FFXI had it not. I might not like that Ninja ended up being used as a tank but I never stopped people from doing it.

What you want to do is prevent me from doing what ever I want when it has no impact on you. And thats selfish.

[Sorel]

so...in other words....you want the game to let you ruin other players' experiences by being a gimp? No thanks.

Sorry to intrude, but how does how I choose to play and develop my character in any way ruin your gaming experience?

Also, I am sure in the early days of FFXI the first RDM/DRK or WHM/SMN might have been considered "gimped". However they, and many other non-intuitive job combination have proven to be very effective in many aspects of both party and solo gameplay.

We ask that we keep the same freedom of experimentation that we had in FFXI in FFXIV. Taking that freedom of experimentation away would be somewhat of a step backwards in many players opinion.