Highly Notorious Monsters

[Miliant]

I must agree with the post *at the top of the page*. I don't believe HNM are a viable option for me. It's a FFXI mechanic that works well in FFXI, but this isn't FFXI.

I didn't mind spending my free time hunting HNMs for drops in FFXI. But that was like 10 years ago and I was 17 years old and I had a lot of time to burn. The "huge-time-sink-for-nothing" mechanics that defined FFXI no longer cut it for me, and I don't want to sit in front of my computer idly for a slim chance at the HNM that may drop something that only 1 person out of the 18-man alliance is going to get. IMO, that's no longer acceptable for a game I'm actually throwing money at every month to enjoy.

Make it insanely hard. Make drop rates suck. Make just one person get the drop I don't care. But don't make me waste two to infinite hours of my life just to watch someone else kill the enemy.

[Blackpearlguy]

I must agree with the post *at the top of the page*. I don't believe HNM are a viable option for me. It's a FFXI mechanic that works well in FFXI, but this isn't FFXI.

I didn't mind spending my free time hunting HNMs for drops in FFXI. But that was like 10 years ago and I was 17 years old and I had a lot of time to burn. The "huge-time-sink-for-nothing" mechanics that defined FFXI no longer cut it for me, and I don't want to sit in front of my computer idly for a slim chance at the HNM that may drop something that only 1 person out of the 18-man alliance is going to get. IMO, that's no longer acceptable for a game I'm actually throwing money at every month to enjoy.

Make it insanely hard. Make drop rates suck. Make just one person get the drop I don't care. But don't make me waste two to infinite hours of my life just to watch someone else kill the enemy.

I 100% agree but couldn't we have both? I like the idea of having to kill a certain type of mob to get a drop to spawn the main mob. Just don't butcher it like the how ZNMs worked in FFXI, when Zipacna went from pop to this formula it worked well. Call me old-school but I want both options. There should be an open world NM every 21-24 because face it: really "elite" people want this. This is how/where they can separate themselves from casuals. Additionally there is a whole group of other people who don't like the time drag so give them the other option of instancing it through a pop item. Just make it so you can't spam the NM once you get the pop item, maybe once ever 10 days to keep a diversity in content and lack of repetition (I think Grand Companies will do something like this). Also make anything that qualifies as HNM to be very very hard so just fighting it is a big event.

The beauty of the 21-24 spawn, or even just a random spawn timer, makes it so the world feels a little more alive.

[Exn]

Make it insanely hard. Make drop rates suck. Make just one person get the drop I don't care. But don't make me waste two to infinite hours of my life just to watch someone else kill the enemy.

Firstly, even if the content is provided, no ones 'making' you do anything..

Secondly, two to infinite hrs? That suggests you were doing things wrong in XI.. It's called having the ToD. When I played XI, I had a full time job, a bf that hates anything video games (constant bf aggro), and taking care of my family. I was also in a HNMLS for 2 years. I never once had to sit in front of my computer staring and waiting for 2+ hours as some people like to suggest. I could camp KV/Nidd/Tia/etc while cooking dinner, taking care of work, and yelling at my impatient bf. XI's HNM were designed on pop windows for that very reason. Every 30 minutes (or hour) from ToD I'd simply come back to my computer, buff, wait 30 seconds, and if no pop.. Back to whatever I was doing (which even included other in game activities between windows at times too). If we didn't get claim, I haven't wasted anything.. other than perhaps at most 60 seconds per window if your being picky. And if you wanted to stay and watch the other LS kill it, that was up to you, it doesn't take the entire LS to stay just to collect the ToD.. HNM camping was only a time sink if you allowed it to be, or just didn't know what you were doing..

That all said, as much as I want to see HNM in ARR, it doesn't need to be exactly like XI by any means. I'll admit camping Tiamat used to piss me off royally, but only because of the 24 hr period that the window was open could meant that you won't always be able to get the ToD, as I imagine people do need to sleep at some point..

I just don't get why you feel why the option shouldn't even be provided to players who do understand the system, simply because you don't think that you have enough time..

[Miliant]

Firstly, even if the content is provided, no ones 'making' you do anything..

Secondly, two to infinite hrs? That suggests you were doing things wrong in XI.. It's called having the ToD. When I played XI, I had a full time job, a bf that hates anything video games (constant bf aggro), and taking care of my family. I was also in a HNMLS for 2 years. I never once had to sit in front of my computer staring and waiting for 2+ hours as some people like to suggest. I could camp KV/Nidd/Tia/etc while cooking dinner, taking care of work, and yelling at my impatient bf. XI's HNM were designed on pop windows for that very reason. Every 30 minutes (or hour) from ToD I'd simply come back to my computer, buff, wait 30 seconds, and if no pop.. Back to whatever I was doing (which even included other in game activities between windows at times too). If we didn't get claim, I haven't wasted anything.. other than perhaps at most 60 seconds per window if your being picky. And if you wanted to stay and watch the other LS kill it, that was up to you, it doesn't take the entire LS to stay just to collect the ToD.. HNM camping was only a time sink if you allowed it to be, or just didn't know what you were doing..

That all said, as much as I want to see HNM in ARR, it doesn't need to be exactly like XI by any means. I'll admit camping Tiamat used to piss me off royally, but only because of the 24 hr period that the window was open could meant that you won't always be able to get the ToD, as I imagine people do need to sleep at some point..

I just don't get why you feel why the option shouldn't even be provided to players who do understand the system, simply because you don't think that you have enough time..

Well, I don't get it either, because I'm not against having something LIKE HNMs in FFXIV. But I am quite against the implementation of FFXI's HNM mechanics in FFXIV.

You may be fine with it, but I personally do not think that having to pay regular attention to my computer when I should be doing something else is a valid or even reasonable compromise for a chance at experiencing all the content the game has to offer. I really don't see the point of having multiple hour pop windows instead of, say, making the window just 15 minutes long. Nothing changes and nobody wastes nearly as much time.

[Exn]

Well, I don't get it either, because I'm not against having something LIKE HNMs in FFXIV. But I am quite against the implementation of FFXI's HNM mechanics in FFXIV.

You may be fine with it, but I personally do not think that having to pay regular attention to my computer when I should be doing something else is a valid or even reasonable compromise for a chance at experiencing all the content the game has to offer. I really don't see the point of having multiple hour pop windows instead of, say, making the window just 15 minutes long. Nothing changes and nobody wastes nearly as much time.

As I said, I'm ok with changes to the XI system. And if checking in for a cupl seconds every 30minutes or an hour, is too much of a commitment for you, you didn't have the time anyways. But that doesn't mean the content should be excluded.

[schism]

Yea I dont understand these ppl who want this stuff gone... I dont like holiday events but im not asking them to take it out.

As I said, I'm ok with changes to the XI system. And if checking in for a cupl seconds every 30minutes or an hour, is too much of a commitment for you, you didn't have the time anyways. But that doesn't mean the content should be excluded.

[strallaalaa]

Well, I don't get it either, because I'm not against having something LIKE HNMs in FFXIV. But I am quite against the implementation of FFXI's HNM mechanics in FFXIV.

You may be fine with it, but I personally do not think that having to pay regular attention to my computer when I should be doing something else is a valid or even reasonable compromise for a chance at experiencing all the content the game has to offer. I really don't see the point of having multiple hour pop windows instead of, say, making the window just 15 minutes long. Nothing changes and nobody wastes nearly as much time.

i agree with this, make the HNM's pop fast, lower there drop rates to very very low. add mobs around the zone you can kill to higher your drop rates maybe and done. no more afk every 30mins and everyone can fight for HNM's but every 15mins. muscle farming over afk waiting for pops.

the way the rmt used to farm mantra's for angle bones comes to mind, they would pop the worm nm every time it repops and fishers and killers of mantra's. make it some big thing, huge boss pops and inbetween your farming mobs for highering your drop rates. let us jump around bouncing back and forth non stop without the bullshit afk'ing or 24hr pop times. hell let us farm 24hrs and kill them.

also the aspid turtle egg HNM comes to mind. but make the pop 15mins, make every mob in that zone a chance to higher drop rate on the HNM. bam, no more afk.