Counter to Elitism

[KoujiGeki]

What you describe is precisely NOT "time centered". Of course it takes time to do all the CoP missions, but it's because it's "hard content". You had to know how to play to go through Promyvions, Sacrarium, etc...
When you beat the last mission, you're sure to gain one ring. When you beat Apocalypse Nigh, you're sure to gain one earring, so we're talking about 100% reward to a difficult fight. That's totally "skill based reward".

In XIV, beating Ifrit or winning an hamlet defense were not THAT hard. But most of the times, you gained absolutely nothing from it.

Like I said in my first post on this thread, people think "Elite = Hardcore". That's wrong. When the OP talks about elitism, he clearly say "Invite casual players".
There's nothing to prevent differences between "good" players and "bad" players, and that's normal.
But "time centered rewards" favors Hardcore player upon casual players, no matter how good or bad they are.

It was time centered becuase you couldn't beat CoP with only a week of effort, and CoP didnt only offer a Ring, it offered a Swift belt and Soboro and other Items that were extremely useful and were hard to get that you couldnt get one first tries escepially if you had whole groups who wanted the item and your turn finally come to pop the item and it doesnt drop your lucky by the time the whole group goes if they actually stayed to help you.

The Garuda fight probably did the best job of trying this (post BLM zerg nerf obviously). It's perfectly viable to do the fight with 1 of each class, plus probably another BRD for plumes as the 8th.

Yes but Garuda is a the factor here also im happy that when my shell beat garuda it wasnt the way all the elitst said it was the only way to be done. but like my brother always uses what happens when they add Titan and Ramuh Blm is screwed if they dont improve the fire and ice lines.

[Reynhart]

It was time centered becuase you couldn't beat CoP with only a week of effort, and CoP didnt only offer a Ring, it offered a Swift belt and Soboro and other Items that were extremely useful and were hard to get that you couldnt get one first tries escepially if you had whole groups who wanted the item and your turn finally come to pop the item and it doesnt drop your lucky by the time the whole group goes if they actually stayed to help you.

When I say "time centered reward", I mean that no matter what you do or how you play, only time will decide when you get your reward.

In fact, missions are never "time centered". The only thing required to progess is the skill to win the mission. Imagine you're doing "United We Stand" and you only randomly gain access to "To Kill a Raven" ? Pretty stupid, isn't it ?

Soboro, Swift Belt and such are only drops from several NM. It's not so different from the rest of the Rare/Ex items (with ridiculous drop rate).