FFXIVARR Lower stats for token items

[sharazisspecial]

Well the thing is to make it not feel like grinding.

0.001% drop rates and repeating an instance 1000 times versus doing tiered difficulty(normal>hard mode) but 100% drop rate for succeeding.

FFxiv 2.0 will be released in 2013.
"Lets just make everything 0.0001% drop rate and have everyone grinding the same boring instance 1000 times to stretch out content" will not work anymore unless you want to alienate most of the mmo players and have a very small niche community .

They have to make people "feel" they are progressing meaningfully since people have more choices in mmos now.

[Thunderz]

Well the thing is to make it not feel like grinding.

0.001% drop rates and repeating an instance 1000 times versus doing tiered difficulty but 100% drop rate for succeeding.

100% drop rate means

people grind it out for 3months and never do it again when they obtain the item

then people complain no one does the instance anymore...

[sharazisspecial]

Arent new players already finding it difficulty to join groups. Because people are running their dungeon groups in their small cliques and linkshells(terrible community seriously) . They wont invite new players to their groups. In ffxi it took too long to find groups as well.

Isnt ifrit and moogle outdated compared to garuda and darklight. Also materia melding makes lower tier dungeon drops obsolete . Also there is the fact that newer/casuals player cant afford triple melded gears.

The question should be
Is Yoshida and the higher ups satisfied with having a very grindy model but smaller hardcore/diehard ff fan niche group of suscribers
versus
Having much larger amount of suscribers but having a model that is less grindy by pumping out those content updates but with some negatives such as outdating content with weaker gear.

Because very low drop rates will push out alot of potential players. Especially ones who didnt like ffxi's model.

[Arcell]

Arent new players already finding it difficulty to join groups. Because people are running their dungeon groups in their small cliques and linkshells(terrible community seriously) . They wont invite new players to their groups. In ffxi it took too long to find groups as well.

Isnt ifrit and moogle outdated compared to garuda and darklight. Also materia melding makes lower tier dungeon drops obsolete . Also there is the fact that newer/casuals player cant afford triple melded gears.

The question is Yoshida and the higher ups satisfied with having a very grindy model and thus having smaller hardcore/diehard ff fan niche group of suscribers versus having much larger amount of suscribers but having a model that is less grindy with some negatives such as outdating content.
Because very low drop rates will push out alot of potential players

The reason it's hard to find groups for things is not because of drop rates. It's because the level of competency (in gear and skill) required for things like Garuda and speed running dungeons is far higher than you'll find in most random players. Most people don't want to deal with pick-ups so they form statics, people they can trust to play well and get things done. This will always happen, unless the content is so easy that any random group can do it no problem.

[Maxthunder]

Arent new players already finding it difficulty to join groups. Because people are running their dungeon groups in their small cliques and linkshells(terrible community seriously) . They wont invite new players to their groups. In ffxi it took too long to find groups as well.

Isnt ifrit and moogle outdated compared to garuda and darklight. Also materia melding makes lower tier dungeon drops obsolete . Also there is the fact that newer/casuals player cant afford triple melded gears.

The question is Yoshida and the higher ups satisfied with having a very grindy model and thus having smaller hardcore/diehard ff fan niche group of suscribers versus having much larger amount of suscribers but having a model that is less grindy with some negatives such as outdating content.
Because very low drop rates will push out alot of potential players

The issue isnt them being new players, the issue is they cant play their job, dont want to listen or just plain dont want to put effort into much of anything. This is not WoW, we dont need a FF game thats in anyway, shape or form like WoW. From all your post it seems you are in the give it to me know crowd and refuse to do anything that requires some effort. Again if you dont want to work or put effort into obtaining what ever it is you want you dont deserve to acquire it!

[sharazisspecial]

I dont believe anyone has earned an item by beating the rng gods . Only people who can defend a model that rewards spamming rather then skill. Is imo people who have no life and no skill. So the only way they can feel special is by getting a full set of these really low drop rate items. Becuase i said multiple times that the super rare items should a rare because skill level filter rather then a low drop rate.

This i prefer 0.0001% drop rate is the thinking of a very small amount of the population.
So either you want SE to do well in ffxiv and have a large diverse playerbase
or
You want SE to satisfy your need to feel superior to everyone who is unlucky or has other time comitments but then SE have very small barely profitable playerbase. STOP BEING SO SELFISH . FFXIV isnt just your own personal mmo they need more players .

I want only 100% drop rate but hard and epic fights for epic gear. They must figure out a way to make the grind feel less or they lose alot of non-hardcore player subs.

IF FFXIV MANAGES TO DO WELL AND PROFIT WITH VERY OUTDATED GRINDY MODEL THEN WELL SMASHING WELL DONE YOSHIDA

[Thunderz]

I dont believe anyone has earned an item by beating the rng gods . Only people who can defend a model that rewards spamming rather then skill. Is imo people who have no life and no skill. So the only way they can feel special is by getting a full set of these really low drop rate items. Becuase i said multiple times that the super rare items should a rare because skill level filter rather then a low drop rate.

This i prefer 0.0001% drop rate is the thinking of a very small amount of the population.
So either you want SE to do well in ffxiv and have a large diverse playerbase
or
You want SE to satisfy your need to feel superior to everyone who is unlucky or has other time comitments but then SE have very small barely profitable playerbase. STOP BEING SO SELFISH . FFXIV isnt just your own personal mmo they need more players .

I want only 100% drop rate but hard and epic fights for epic gear. They must figure out a way to make the grind feel less or they lose alot of non-hardcore player subs.

IF FFXIV MANAGES TO DO WELL AND PROFIT WITH VERY GRINDY MODEL THEN WELL SMASHING

an MMO is a time sink

the more you put in the more you get

you cant expect to log for 1hr a day and get completion on all Quest, obtain gear and relic weapons

be happy with the token system your getting for start ~ mid-game gear

if you want to obtain more then put more time in simple

That is why static and guilds are formed

To work together and obtain stuff

[Maxthunder]

I dont believe anyone has earned an item by beating the rng gods . Only people who can defend a model that rewards spamming rather then skill. Is imo people who have no life and no skill. So the only way they can feel special is by getting a full set of these really low drop rate items. Becuase i said multiple times that the super rare items should a rare because skill level filter rather then a low drop rate.

This i prefer 0.0001% drop rate is the thinking of a very small amount of the population.
So either you want SE to do well in ffxiv and have a large diverse playerbase
or
You want SE to satisfy your need to feel superior to everyone who is unlucky or has other time comitments but then SE have very small barely profitable playerbase. STOP BEING SO SELFISH . FFXIV isnt just your own personal mmo they need more players .

I want only 100% drop rate but hard and epic fights for epic gear. They must figure out a way to make the grind feel less or they lose alot of non-hardcore player subs.

IF FFXIV MANAGES TO DO WELL AND PROFIT WITH VERY GRINDY MODEL THEN WELL SMASHING

Speak for yourself you are the 1 who wants easy mode. Speed runs I have done and I have done hundreds of them so I have earned my darklight pieces and bodies. Once you learn how to do something you can do it again, but if you put no effort into anything than you dont learn anything and guess what you dont earn or get rewarded!! So how about you stop bitching about how things are and actually go learn how to do speed runs, garuda or what not. Oh btw 100% drop rates no thanks, you want 100% drop rates than this game isnt for you.

[Thunderz]

Also we got 3 Darklight piece drop in one night of running it... i've heard other groups get 4

so its not 0.0001% stop exaggerating it

I wouldn't mind if they did bump the drop rate but NOT 100%

[darkstarpoet1]

it's funny you mention epic gear with epic rewards, but then say it's a struggle to get into a group. if the fights get harder then how do you think you are going to have more luck getting into a group? people will just go even farther into their static group and then you'll just be left to your own.

now looking at your profile i can see just how much skill you have. no wins on moogle, garuda, av, cc, or even raven yet you want to talk about fights that involve skill. maybe after you actually complete the content that's already in game you can come back and talk. once you actually beat the more challenging content then maybe you can complain about the drop rates on that content.