FFXIVARR Lower stats for token items

[AquaRyu]

Hello everybody /0/

Just learned from Rain's thread that in ARR, we'll obtain tokens allowing to buy items, but, with lower stats than droped items :/

So, in order to keep Rein's thread clean, let's talk about this here ^^/

Thanks for all your amazing work Reinheart <3

[Matsume]

A Quick Summary of the recent JP Articles by Stanislaw:

- Raid bosses will always drop some type of reward - somewhere around 2~3 rare drops per party, random lotted. Even if one didn't get the rare drop, the players will be rewarded with tokens which you can then exchange for rare drops. In exchange, the chances to participate in the random lottery will be limited to 3 times per week. (Stanislaw's notes: The text in the interview here isn't really clear. What I'm assuming this means is that the chance to get that 2~3 rare drops is limited to 3 times per week, but one can still get tokens by trying the content over and over again. On the other hand, this can easily mean the return of horrid re-entry times.)

Reinhearts Translaton:

You are right it does say 2-3 rewards (item) and for those that didn't get will get a token and can collect those.

＞・現行では当初コンテンツにトークン制を取り入れたいと考えていた。
＞例えば1回クリアで必ずパーティに2～3個の報酬があってみんなで分配する形。
＞何もエられなかった人にはトークンが渡されてコツコツ参加すれば本命のアイテムより性能が少し落ちる品物が手に入るようにする構想
- Wanted to put in token system into current version contents.
- For example with 1 clear have 2-3 rewards (報酬 Houshuu, doesn't say トークンhere like above...orz sorry） which can be distributed with everyone
- Idea was for those that didn't get anything have a token and once you participate enough you get an item with lower stats than the original.

Still question remains on where that person got "3 times per week came from" unless that's in that article. Don't have any original copy of the magazine or scans so I just went off by the 2ch summary info.

Just read the other thread post if its translation from Stanislaw it's most likely correct, that info maybe what he read in the magazine since he's in Japan (I think lol) pretty sure he has the original article to translate from.

Maybe talking about the greed system YoshiP talked about previously?? like you can only do greed x times per week?? not sure, just guessing w

Raid boss Drop question on translation


Update 2:

Thanks for the links, the info in regards to token is in the first article, the 4gamer one. My translation might not be 100% accurate or as good as Rein's so maybe have him look into it later.

吉田氏：
　今回，新生FFXIVでは，ボスモンスターのレアアイテムドロップを確率で縛りつけるのではなく，ボスを倒せれば必ずなんらかの報酬が得られるようになっています。
　レアドロップも，1パーティに対して2～3個はドロップするので，それをパーティ内で抽選していただきます。その代わり，その抽選に参加する権利がコンテンツによって週3回まで，のように決まっています。そのリセットタイマーが各コンテンツに用意されるので，それの確認などですね。
　もちろん，抽選に漏れた人にはトークン（チケットのようなもの）が渡され，トークンを貯めて交換できるアイテムもあるので，結果に対して必ず成果があるようになっています。

This time in New FFXIV, instead of of tying Boss monster rare drops to luck/chance, your guaranteed to obtain some kind of reward for defeating the boss. One party will get around 2-3 rewards so you'll have to draw(i assume he means roll can also mean lottery) for it within the party, As a result you'll be limited to 3 rolls/draws/lottery per week depending on the content, and a reset timer will be provided for each content.

And of course those who do not win the lottery will be awarded token/tickets which can be accumulated and exchanged for items so in result you will always gain something

確実4gamer: に2～3人はレアアイテムが手に入り，ほかの人にもちゃんと報酬が用意されていると。

4gamer: So 2-3 people will be guaranteed items and the others will also obtain some kind of reward?

吉田氏： レアアイテムに関しては，運が悪いとなかなか自分に権利が回ってこないかもしれませんが，それでも週3回や4回はチャレンジできますし，それで手に入らなければ，再取得まで別のコンテンツへという形になると思います。このあたりは，実際にプレイしていただかないと，感覚としてはお伝えしにくいかもしれませんね。

Yoshida:
In regards to rare items, if your luck is really bad, then your chance might not come around but even then you can challenge the content 3-4 times a week.(this next sentence is a bit confusing for me, so I'll color it green since I'm not sure if I'm reading it right)If you still don't get it then you can do different content until you can re-acquire it. In this regard, unless you play and experience it yourself it is hard to explain.

Again l would like to state that my Japanese is limited and as such the translation might not be 100% accurate.

The part in green, there were some kanji in this sentence that i did not understand, The way i understood it is if you fail to get the reward within that week, then you can do other content till your lottery participation timer is up again. if this translation is somewhat accurate then this can mean a few things.

If lottery participation timer is different from re-entry timer then this would indicate that if you lose the lottery 3x then you won't be able to roll again even if u got nothing, so win or lose you lose lottery participation count.

"そのリセットタイマー" "that reset timer" in this case, the way i understand it, "that" is referring to the lottery participation, implying that the timer is for the lottery participation. But for all we know in SE's head lottery participation and re-entry might be the same thing, so its hard to say if the two are different. Taking into the fact that u can only participate in lottery 3x (1st quote) but can challenge the content 3-4x (2nd quote) i myself think the 2 are different, an official translation on the subject would be nice .

In the first quote he says that you draw for the items within the party(at least that is how i understood it) implying it might not be system side random lottery, people might have the option to pass, those who don't get the drops will get token instead.

One last time i would like to remind people that my translation skills are very limited, there are some Kanji within the article that i do not understand well so keep that in mind when you discuses and hope we get something more accurate and official soon.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

i'm ok with it. A lesser version of dungeon drop it's surely better then dark matter 5

[AquaRyu]

Work still get a lesser reward than luck x.x

[Soulfire]

Work still get a lesser reward than luck x.x

Square's learning curve never ceases to amaze.

[indira]

still wont stop people from aiming for the best one. so people well keep doing content unless theres a long lock out.

[Arkine]

I'm ok with it if the lower quality gear (Darklight > Dimlight? wakawaka!) is still decent enough to use.

HL Gauntlets: Defense 85 HP+80 Vitality+12 Mind+12 Evasion-20 Magic Evasion+5 Enmity+45

?? Gauntlets: Defense 75 HP+70 Vitality+10 Mind+10 Evasion-25 Magic Evasion+3 Enmity+35

But if it's something like:

?? Gauntlets: Defense 45 HP+40 Vitality+4 Mind+4 Evasion-40 Magic Evasion+2 Enmity+15

Then please spare us. (Also I brought up the lower quality dungeon gear aeons ago and everybody said it was a bad idea but apparently Yoshi disagrees so HAH!)

[BlackomegaKingofwaffles]

I'm ok with it if the lower quality gear (Darklight > Dimlight? wakawaka!) is still decent enough to use.

HL Gauntlets: Defense 85 HP+80 Vitality+12 Mind+12 Evasion-20 Magic Evasion+5 Enmity+45

?? Gauntlets: Defense 75 HP+70 Vitality+10 Mind+10 Evasion-25 Magic Evasion+3 Enmity+35

But if it's something like:

?? Gauntlets: Defense 45 HP+40 Vitality+4 Mind+4 Evasion-40 Magic Evasion+2 Enmity+15

Then please spare us. (Also I brought up the lower quality dungeon gear aeons ago and everybody said it was a bad idea but apparently Yoshi disagrees so HAH!)

SE loves junk gear if anything it will probably be worse than the one you listed last.

[GodAlmighty]

So the point of this is what then? It would seem this is an attempt to reward those who actually spend time and don't get lucky? But as stated, anyone who wants the gear in the first place isn't going to settle for anything less than the actual gear itself.

If your going to add guaranteed seal drops make them turned in for the same piece, just make it more than 10. If someone runs 50+ successful Moogle/Ifrit/Garuda/Titan/w/e runs and still doesn't have the piece they want, they deserve to get it on merit alone. Hence the seals.

Don't offer a carrot, then break it in half and throw it in the mud.

[Skies]

So the point of this is what then? It would seem this is an attempt to reward those who actually spend time and don't get lucky? But as stated, anyone who wants the gear in the first place isn't going to settle for anything less than the actual gear itself.

If your going to add guaranteed seal drops make them turned in for the same piece, just make it more than 10. If someone runs 30+ successful Moogle/Ifrit/Garuda/Titan/w/e runs and still doesn't have the piece they want, they deserve to get it on merit alone. Hence the seals.

Don't offer a carrot, then break it in half and throw it in the mud.

From what I gather, the point of this is giving you something for your time, while not reducing the amount of time required to clear the content.
Let's take a single static Full Party, that's eight people. Number of drops per boss is 2-3 we roll with the smaller, 2. Let's also presume there are 4 drops in the boss. In four runs, the entire party gets one item each, let's say we are luck and only need one set of runs per drop, that's eight runs.
So in eight runs you get the full party outfitted. But in those eight runs, there a problem. While you're dumping all the drops on the players one-by-one, the other guys are doing runs and coming out dry, nothing to show for their effort, while some people are getting stuff on their first run. Sure, that's play-chosen now who's the 'lucky' one rather than RNG but it still happens. So they give you a token for a lesser gear of your choice, probably similar in function to the gear you're hunting for, it'll support your next run but it will still make you finish more runs for the item you want.

They're an incentive to just keep trying to get that golden item, really. "Here, you're getting there, just a bit more effort. Look how nice this one is, the other one's even better, have faith!"