Modders did it to themselves

[SyferU]

Love this rhetoric.

So we shouldn't do anything to people doing illegal things because there is a lot of them and someone will take the place anyway ?

Let's apply that to real life and you will see how wrong it is.

Just because it's not serious don't make it okay to just say what you said. At best, they should be happy to have been able to do what they did for so long when they were told not to, and also a little blaming themselves to have promoted their "against the TOS behavior" about everywhere, even in the game itself.
And when I'm saying it's not serious, FFXIV is on many list of "game not recommanded for minor" or "online game that isn't safe for minor" and it's not for the few sexual references, the few bikini or slightly sexy gear of the game.

And I'm convinced that the impact will be minimal. The vast majority of Mare users won't stop playing because of that, because the vast majority wasn't using "that much" mods and those who will weren't people active outside their own circles.

People should be happy that they have been able to do what they did? well they are not, that is the problem.
Even if you think that people are acting entitled, that doesn't change that mare being taken down is making them Unhappy and the last thing that Dawntrail needs is more unhappy players.
Thats why I'm saying Mare being taken down does nothing, when the void is filled by another mod soon after. The only thing that has happend is more hate for Dawntrail. Justified or not.

[Zackneifein]

People should be happy that they have been able to do what they did? well they are not, that is the problem.
Even if you think that people are acting entitled, that doesn't change that mare being taken down is making them Unhappy and the last thing that Dawntrail needs is more unhappy players.
Thats why I'm saying Mare being taken down does nothing, when the void is filled by another mod soon after. The only thing that has happend is more hate for Dawntrail. Justified or not.

People are unhappy with Dawntrail, with it or without it.

And to be honest, it could even be the best move for SE to strike now that the mood of the FFXIV players is at its worst since... probably a very long time and counting on a 8.0 to try to recapture the love of the players.

Because even if 7.2 and 7.3 were more warmly welcomed, mostly the MSQ, only 8.0 can truely make a shift. If 8.0 is a hit, it would be worse to taint it with drama.

[SyferU]

People are unhappy with Dawntrail, with it or without it.

And to be honest, it could even be the best move for SE to strike now that the mood of the FFXIV players is at its worst since... probably a very long time and counting on a 8.0 to try to recapture the love of the players.

Because even if 7.2 and 7.3 were more warmly welcomed, mostly the MSQ, only 8.0 can truely make a shift. If 8.0 is a hit, it would be worse to taint it with drama.

I'm just interested to see what is going to happen in the future, if SE will continuously try to chase down new mare like mods or if people just learn from this and be a bit more discreet with the next one. Probably not lmao.

[Aidorouge]

And to be honest, it could even be the best move for SE to strike now that the mood of the FFXIV players is at its worst since... probably a very long time and counting on a 8.0 to try to recapture the love of the players.

Recapture the love of what players though if too many of have left by then and have recommended against others to play it? Something like this isn't going to stop the hemorrhaging Dawntrail started, it's only going to make it worse, and it's certainly not going to give Square-Enix a mulligan if they botch 8.0.
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Kind of... But what the ToS actually states, and how they enforce that ToS are different, which is a problem really, because it's only otherwise ever stated in the "Disappointed dad" conversation, and of course if we are assuming this was done because of ToS and not some larger security concern, then at what point them deem "Don't talk about it" is very arbitrary, seeing as people have been openly discussing it for years.

Not that I disagree with you, but when there is a disparity like the one presented here, then the rules do actually become very meaningless, since they are undermining their own rules, and doing it in such a way that actual enforcement is kind of arbitrary, again, allowing Mare to fester openly for years before electing to take an action.

To say nothing of the OTHER openly well-known mods that Square-Enix somehow still isn't going after, once more raising the issue of inconsistency.

If I had to make a top 5 list of "open secret" mods, Mare would be THIRD.
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As for comparing it to Parsing, they may not be linked in an adventurer plate, but they are certainly doing it via Lodestone, and then people aren't exactly being subtle with 'Allagan Melon' either.

I'd say the parsing thing was way worse because I don't recall having to copy & paste a phrase into my profile for Mare so my Lodestone WOULDN'T get its data scrapped like I had to do with "fflogs-hidden" and "tomestone-hidden".

That's arguably more intrusive/prompts harassment from others, yet there's some in this topic who think ACT is totes harmless while Mare was Satan-incarnate.
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I think some of you are under the illusion that by banning the degenerates SE is going to finally focus on delivering good traditional MMO content.

LOL

Well, you have to remember that some of these same people also legitimately believe that the game will return to a "golden age" and make more money if all the casuals get cast out too, so the delulu is strong.

[Zackneifein]

Recapture the love of what players though if too many of have left by then and have recommended against others to play it? Something like this isn't going to stop the hemorrhaging Dawntrail started, it's only going to make it worse, and it's certainly not going to give Square-Enix a mulligan if they botch 8.0.

I think you didn't understand what I meant (or I didn't express myself correctly, English isn't my first language).

I never said that it was going to stop the loss of players. I said that now the game is at its worst since before Shadowbringer, it's the perfect time to do the unpopular things. The loss of Mare isn't going to kill FFXIV but create drama for sure. If we take the hypothesis that it's Square Enix that chose to act against Mare, doing it now is a better idea that waiting the 8.0 and risking a bad buzz during a possibly "good" momentum for FFXIV.

To say nothing of the OTHER openly well-known mods that Square-Enix somehow still isn't going after, once more raising the issue of inconsistency.

If I had to make a top 5 list of "open secret" mods, Mare would be THIRD.

We still don't know, at my knowledge, if it's Square Enix. And if it is we don't know the reasons. Maybe Mare specifically is problematic and all the other well-known "third party software" aren't so they didn't had to act.