Modders did it to themselves

[Clerith]

The game is rated 12+ in my country. And we still distinguish between bikinis, sexually explicit references, and nudity.
And while I've seen some questionable examples (like the dungeon with the pirates), those dialogues have long since been changed in my version of the game or weren't there to begin with.

Also, the outfits posted previously are skimpy, but the context of their use is important. While I think some people might consider this a step too far and call for censorship, it's still extremely harmless compared to what many modders use.

And being in Mare/Syncshells is definitely much more harmful and explicit, and has also led to more mod use and abuse. Even the Mare creator said that public syncshells were a mistake and that he's lost some faith in humanity after all the things he's seen.
Also... regarding "I've never met a character under 18."
You mean you've never met a minor in the game?
Or that all RP players simply state that their character is 18, even if they use the appearance of a Miqote kitten in combination with sexual acts?

And yes, that's a thing. And when it comes to allowing all mods or no mods, it's crystal clear what the right choice is.
But as always... S.E. is taking careful steps... for better or worse.

[Aidorouge]

I'm sorry, but you're being deliberately obtuse here. 18+ conent and outfits showing skin aren't the same thing. The laws referred to in the statement are explicitly going for the former and not the latter. As I've stated before, unless you want Square to start restricting access to FF14 in certain states, countries, etc they have to crack down if it's becoming "known" that their game is being used to distribute 18+ material without age checks being implemented, even if it's exclusively on the side of modders.

The game is rated 12+ in my country. And we still distinguish between bikinis, sexually explicit references, and nudity.
And while I've seen some questionable examples (like the dungeon with the pirates), those dialogues have long since been changed in my version of the game or weren't there to begin with.

Also, the outfits posted previously are skimpy, but the context of their use is important. While I think some people might consider this a step too far and call for censorship, it's still extremely harmless compared to what many modders use.

Except those laws WON'T stop at the former and WILL go after the latter in due time, just like how they weren't content to go after only specific types of fictional porn but instead kept widening the net on which fetishes were acceptable targets. It went from loli/shota bans to furry/monster girl within weeks on some websites.

Do you really think the nannies are only going to take an inch and not a mile after you gave them as many inches as they asked for? You're even playing right into their own rulebook by using the old "oh won't somebody please think of the children" card. And it's not that I WANT censorship, but rather censorship is inevitable if the only criteria to get something removed is that some pearl-clutching prude thought it was icky (and trust me, they think a LOT of things are icky).

Hell, the Reddit post showing off those first two pictures? It's BLOCKED for some UK posters, so in some places the law HAS ALREADY started coming for the latter, because in their eyes, these glamour pieces are equally bad as actual porn because prudence does not make exceptions with regards to indecency. One of you even admitted that their version of the game is censored already, and you can bet the Chinese client will be getting scrubbed too of certain items and text, or even locations. (It wasn't long ago that I finally reached Eulmore with an area set aside for literal stripper poles and dancers)

By all accounts if Mare is bad, then the things I'm walking around in right now will be deemed so as well, or should be banned already if Square-Enix upheld any sense of consistency with their ToS or their compliance with laws in other countries, or how they've got a MUCH longer list of mods to C&D if they're trying to stop people from making themselves look or do NSFW things in-game.

My problem will always be the self-righteous hypocrisy of it all, that I can sensually dance around half-naked anywhere but that's somehow "totally appropriate for 12 year olds" to not only see BUT DO THEMSELVES using the same things, but this one mod, which doesn't even include any actual NSFW content but simply allowed people to share those mods was somehow "too far". I bloody refuse to act like "rules for thee not for me" by pretending like what I'm doing is perfectly fine relative to what they did based on the reasons given for Mare's banning, and by all accounts I'm equally guilty of inappropriateness and "forcing" others to see it without needing to resort to mods at all.

[Elephantality]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5eb456d2183251Welp we got our official answer: Optics and they're mad people were wearing Mogstation glamour without paying for it.

This seems disingenuous to me. You even ignored the part about laws, and people sharing their private screenshots publicly on social media.

[Wyssahtyn]

"p-pwease buy more from the cash shop or we might have to incwease the sub price"

[Komarimono]

It's like no one read it, and is blaming cash shop.

It's just the same as it's been for years. Quit posting about them, quit sharing pictures of them all over the place, etc etc.

[Its_Kazzy_D]

People seem to be hyperfixiating on the mogstation aspect when he listed like 3 other reasons as well.

I think his response was a good one. Concise and explained things well without attack anyone. The mentions of laws is also a big role in it as well, as he stated; not just in the UK, but many states in the US as well have similar laws.

[RedLolly]

I think it was more about the account ID linking and sharing thing, which was a big fucking issue we all, rightly, freaked out on SE about being used to trace and stalk players in another mod tools and that SE were dragging their feet on correcting.

But no one can stop talking about the gooners or cash glams long enough to talk about that being a likely factor as to why Mare was nuked.

[Its_Kazzy_D]

I think it was more about the account ID linking and sharing thing, which was a big fucking issue we all, rightly, freaked out on SE about being used to trace and stalk players in another mod tools and that SE were dragging their feet on correcting.

But no one can stop talking about the gooners or cash glams long enough to talk about that being a likely factor as to why Mare was nuked.

Which ironically is the one thing he didn't mention in the announcement since he didn't want to name drop any specific mod. :x

[TeresaFortell]

In short: Wanna use mods? Don't be a fucking dumbass about it.

Rules are the rules. Otherwise, freaking anarchy over here.

Thing is, devs are stuck in the middle. Don’t enforce TOS, then that would open a floodgate to what is permissible. Enforce it too much, then people would call them heartless. It’s like being a referee during a fight at a game - ignore it and chaos erupts, blow the whistle and everyone thinks you hate fun.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​