Endgame should be challenging - that's the point (from a casual player)

[Granyala]

"If normal mode wasn't an option, it would motivate people to get better and push their limits."

No it wouldn't. This is a game, not a career or an Esport. I can't imagine how you reach this conclusion.

Ghostcrawler, a developer from World of Warcraft put it best:
Most players will not actually rise to a steep challenge. They will, in fact, rather quit the game.

Whilst we're out here advocating for more challenge at the end-game, can we also go back to the original HW design please for Crafters? bring back Concealed nodes and capped scrip currencies with gear that actually *required* specialist.

Sorry but there is nothing challenging about being crafter. Never has been.
It's just spend playtime to jump through overblown stat hoops.

ESPECIALLY in a time when we have resources like Teamcraft available to us.

And yes: I have done expert crafts for relics that don't work with macros and force manual play.

But sometimes the easyness has gone overboard in the past. It's ok for it to kill you a few times. That's what healers and rezzers are for. That's what trying again is for. They've been better at it in Dawntrail because they decided parties wiping sometimes is alright. If there's never any deaths or wipes then there's no real threat from what is supposed to be a boss.

Agreed. Call me a masochist but I actually enjoyed meaner 4 man dungeons in ARR like Aurum Vale. I also enjoyed the mean heroic dungeons way back when in WoW's Burning Crusade.

It's such a bummer that "Expert dungeons" are easier than their leveling counterparts now.

Was hyped for the Criterion dungeons in EW to be a step up but these were way too punishing. Not even my ex savage raiding buddies wanted to bother with them, lol.