Dawntrail Doomposting Megathread

[Daralii]

At some points it seems that they either have lost passion outside a few members (you can see the “love” still in the music, fights and a few gear pieces and graphic highlights), have no idea what they want themselves or have delegated the newer devs to this game while all others do other things.

Around the time EW and XVI were finished, pretty much every team lead or competent individual dev was promoted to a supervisory position as a reward for their work over the prior decade. That level of abrupt churn obviously had a very large and sudden impact on quality.

[Gurgeh]

Correct. When I entered Chaotic, clearly everyone in there was having fun because we were finally in large scale content again after so much solo content in Endwalker.

In the Extreme, I was laughing and joking with the people I met. They all seemed so cheerful, and a rather good amount of times they dropped a discord link and I could hear that they enjoyed the content and were having a good time together.

Yes, you are missing the point then, twice.
You need be to be focusing on how much fun people who 'don't' do PF content are having.
Day three of Chaotic PF was already horrible. It was already wait for 30-60 mins or more for fill, pull twice, someone abandons and wait another 30-60 minutes. Play for 30, another abandon, then 6 leave at once then the party collapsesc and start again. It was horrible.
Frankly Jeeqbit something is starting not to add up if your saying you had a good experience of PF.
Like we're you public PF, or are were you using a discord PF? Most PFs don't go to voice. I've only ever seen two true public PF go to voice. (Frankly one was terrible because they just kept joking throughout and it was impossible to concentrate.)

As for OC, maybe it's an EU NA thing then, because none is joking and chatting in shout. In fact the only lengthy interaction was when someone asked people to slow down and wait at the fates, and some dick kept answering to tell them to "be faster", "get good", "I can manage it so why can't you"
The dick was on my party. Din't bother to say hi to me but could be bothered to harass over shout. (I sympathised with the person over shout so they didn't feel they were alone. Ruined the experience for me though because i was already meh, so I was more than happy to log off. I called them out in party then left to do anything better. It's bad enough I'd had to pay for this experience I wasnt to going to suffer it more than necessary.)
And that is the nearest to an exchange I have seen.
OC is not at all sociable. Not on EU. Maybe it's starting to now as the casuals are coming on board but, how much longer do I wait if I log in today and find that's still not the case? Treat again tomorrow? And again?

[Heavenchild]

Honestly I am just bored a lot for some years now. Most stuff after EW (6.0) couldn't really hook me. It felt just like 'more of the same' or rushed and not well thought out.
The new field OC is so boring for me. I could explain why but I don't want to write a wall of text.

I am at a point where I cancelled my sub for some weeks to save some money, to buy 'Fantasy Life i: The Girl who steals Time'.
And this is sooo much more fun than FF14 actually.

I won't cancel my sub finally because I'm attached to my house and everything, but maybe I should start to consider it. *sigh*

[Kozh]

As for OC, maybe it's an EU NA thing then, because none is joking and chatting in shout. In fact the only lengthy interaction was when someone asked people to slow down and wait at the fates, and some dick kept answering to tell them to "be faster", "get good", "I can manage it so why can't you"

Since I play in JP DC, I can't really say anything about this, as people here normally don't talk (language barrier issue etc). That said, compared to bozja, OC feels way more silent and less populated. Probably because of the 72 players limitation. The rush fate/CE train doesn't help either imo.

[Jeeqbit]

Telling people to suck it up and just do the old treadmill, Hildibrand that was… 30 minutes at the start and one of the most boring beasttribes with three quests a day while high end raiders didn’t go even one patch (and with the field zone even got one more raid) without content for them

I wasn't just saying just Hildibrand and the beast tribe, but the beast tribe and custom delivery is spaced out and something to occupy a casual amount of time. I mentioned hunts, FATEs and PvP Series because I know lots and lots of people who don't raid that do and enjoy these things. I say it only because I personally did these things myself and enjoyed them.

I'm also not saying they couldn't or shouldn't add other content to occupy time like the Field Operation. I'm just saying that outside of the forums, people just do the aforementioned content and seem happy with it contrary to how the OP presents it. I actually do not get the sense players are "exhausted" as described, and my guess for why that is, is because the majority of those exhausted unsubscribed earlier in the last year or before.

At some points it seems that they either have lost passion outside a few members (you can see the “love” still in the music, fights and a few gear pieces and graphic highlights), have no idea what they want themselves or have delegated the newer devs to this game while all others do other things.

I don't believe they have lost passion at all, but it's true they have added a lot of new developers (and have been doing a big recruitment for important jobs lately like writing and programming). However, Yoshi-P has consistently said that a lot of the developers now were once players.

I think part of the issue ultimately must be the arduous process of approvals and procedures they have to go through in order to do anything that isn't the status quo, or they are just too afraid to ask if they can do anything that isn't the status quo, or doing it would be difficult because different departments are responsible for different tasks even if one person could handle the entire set of tasks which would make it simpler. I can't think of a better explanation at this point, when independent developers don't have these struggles over a 10 year period.

Yes, you are missing the point then, twice.

I only responded to your own sentences.

You need be to be focusing on how much fun people who 'don't' do PF content are having.

So I need to focus on how much fun people who don't play the game are having? Got it...

Like we're you public PF, or are were you using a discord PF?

Just PF.

Most PFs don't go to voice. I've only ever seen two true public PF go to voice.

You are in the EU region. There are multiple languages in the EU. As such, voice is difficult, because it requries all the players there to be able to understand what is being said (verbally). It's different in the NA region because almost everyone universally speaks English. While it's rare in the NA region too, it's far more common than "twice". I mean, I killed Zalenia Extreme almost 100 times and plenty of them did drop discord links. Maybe 20-40%? I don't really track the percentage. It's optional to join, but I always do it.

[remiff]

I'm going to be very clear and explain why I have no hope for improvement — and even why we shouldn’t have high expectations for 8.0.
The answer is simple: just look at the current patch cycle and how much of the content released since Endwalker feels unfinished, poorly thought out, and excessively shallow
— like the cosmic exploration or Occult Crescent.

It's always the bare minimum, and they don’t try to develop mechanics beyond the tip of their nose.

Why is it like this? Simply because the 3rd Division is now understaffed, being spread thin across several other projects besides FFXIV.
That’s not inherently bad, but it’s definitely not good for FFXIV.
And they won’t change how they design content or adjust jobs.
Why? Because they operate on a tight schedule where they can only allocate a fixed amount of development time per feature.
And, as I said above, they’re understaffed due to these other projects.

Lately, this includes the console ports of The Fantasian by Sakaguchi (handled by the 3rd Division), the Final Fantasy Tactics remaster (also done by the 3rd Division), and another AAA game project with Sakaguchi, who returned to Square Enix to make a new game
— so Fantasian won’t be his last project after all.
He struck a deal with the 3rd Division.
And we don’t even know what other projects they have going on in the background.

Having multiple projects is fine, but this isn’t the largest division at Square Enix.
Even with some new hires, the resources allocated to FFXIV just aren’t enough.
So the patch cycle won’t change, and the amount of dev time per piece of content will always be limited. This applies to everything.

That’s why I don’t expect improvements to FFXIV until they restructure their planning, hire more developers specifically for FFXIV, and stop assigning so few people to job balance.
There might only be one or two people in charge of each job, with a limited amount of time to work on changes before an expansion launches — and that’s exactly why expectations should stay low.

Naoki Yoshida says a lot of things when they run out of time to deliver on promises, and then they delay changes — but often, when those changes finally arrive, they’re completely disconnected from player expectations.

We shouldn’t expect a return to strong job identity like in Stormblood, especially when we see some of the recent job changes, which are heartbreakingly uninspired.
This isn’t about doomposting — it’s the on-the-ground reality.
That’s why FFXIV has lost a huge number of subscribers since 7.0.

When you look at the minimalist design of the cosmic exploration content and Occult Crescent, it’s clear that the dev team is completely out of touch with player expectations.
They simply don’t do any player surveys, unlike their competitors.
They base their adjustments on a handful of content creators or random feedback they happen to see — and even when they address some issues, they’re often completely off the mark compared to what players are actually asking for.

I’m not saying they fail at everything, but they miss the mark far too often to have any real hope for the game’s future.

We don’t expect to see so many problems in the content they release — especially after 13 years of the game’s existence.
We don’t expect the same mistakes to be repeated over and over again, particularly after players have already voiced complaints.
There’s a clear lack of listening — but more importantly, a lack of allocated resources, which means the developers simply don’t have the time to properly respond to our expectations.

[Voidmage]

I wasn't just saying just Hildibrand and the beast tribe, but the beast tribe and custom delivery is spaced out and something to occupy a casual amount of time. I mentioned hunts, FATEs and PvP Series because I know lots and lots of people who don't raid that do and enjoy these things. I say it only because I personally did these things myself and enjoyed them.

Beast tribes and custom deliveries aren’t really enough to be even called casual imo.
One is three quests a day for about 15 min and the other is a few deliveries a week you do in another 15 min.
That is hardly enough to occupy even those who only play a little bit after work.
Sure you can have fun with this all (and fates) and people probably have fun but what have casual players truly gotten outside the A raid until this field zone?
That’s the point I and others are making.
The scales between content has become strangely tilted towards tactical raiding, even in the new field zone instead of raiding where you just jump in like with Delubrum normal, Castrum or Dalriada even though some people might only think of soul crushing hard raiding as true endgame content.
The truth is that everyone wants to have something to do.

I'm just saying that outside of the forums, people just do the aforementioned content and seem happy with it contrary to how the OP presents it. I actually do not get the sense players are "exhausted" as described, and my guess for why that is, is because the majority of those exhausted unsubscribed earlier in the last year or before.

Who knows what people ingame think?
Even if many of the exhausted ones have left that is nothing to be happy about because it shows that the game has changed in the wrong direction for them and a game shouldn’t change away from those who played it till now in the first place to a point where they don’t feel like the audience anymore.
While the criticism on the forum and Reddit is not a picture for the overall state of the game, people not coming here also doesn’t mean that they are automatically happy either.
The lack of content for non raiders and the 7.0 story were things I saw people actually discuss in game.
Yes that’s not proof for the bigger picture. Just as a note that some people ingame do take note and have their own opinions on it.

You are in the EU region. There are multiple languages in the EU. As such, voice is difficult, because it requries all the players there to be able to understand what is being said (verbally).

People here in the EU almost always speak english at a high level and as a player from here I have to give my point that Gurgeh’s experiences are purely individual, as are mine. (That’s not an attack on them though).
I have had lots of casual chats in OC and other raids ingame.


But that’s enough from me in this thread.
I am still bummed by the Forked tower situation even as someone who doesn’t have a problem with doing hard content because even with Discord I am prevented from doing content…

[DynnDiablos]

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You are like the cheerleader who never shuts up. You just can't seem to accept this game is in a crap state, and no matter the criticisms you have to blindly cheer for things and have a counterpoint to every person's complaint. I am happy YOU love the slop being served up by 14, but some of us who have played over a decade are FED the HELL up.

[DynnDiablos]

Beast tribes and custom deliveries aren’t really enough to be even called casual imo.
One is three quests a day for about 15 min and the other is a few deliveries a week you do in another 15 min.
That is hardly enough to occupy even those who only play a little bit after work.
Sure you can have fun with this all (and fates) and people probably have fun but what have casual players truly gotten outside the A raid until this field zone?
That’s the point I and others are making.
The scales between content has become strangely tilted towards tactical raiding, even in the new field zone instead of raiding where you just jump in like with Delubrum normal, Castrum or Dalriada even though some people might only think of soul crushing hard raiding as true endgame content.
The truth is that everyone wants to have something to do.


Who knows what people ingame think?
Even if many of the exhausted ones have left that is nothing to be happy about because it shows that the game has changed in the wrong direction for them and a game shouldn’t change away from those who played it till now in the first place to a point where they don’t feel like the audience anymore.
While the criticism on the forum and Reddit is not a picture for the overall state of the game, people not coming here also doesn’t mean that they are automatically happy either.
The lack of content for non raiders and the 7.0 story were things I saw people actually discuss in game.
Yes that’s not proof for the bigger picture. Just as a note that some people ingame do take note and have their own opinions on it.


People here in the EU almost always speak english at a high level and as a player from here I have to give my point that Gurgeh’s experiences are purely individual, as are mine. (That’s not an attack on them though).
I have had lots of casual chats in OC and other raids ingame.


But that’s enough from me in this thread.
I am still bummed by the Forked tower situation even as someone who doesn’t have a problem with doing hard content because even with Discord I am prevented from doing content…

The new tribes have been a joke this expansion. The same 3-4 quests recycled over and over. The main rewards are frontloaded now with the mount and minion available way earlier. So in the end, the final reward is like "that's it?"

[NightHour]

With regards to the 7.05 raids - They were good but way too easy, the fact that 3x as many people cleared Light Heavyweight Week 1 opposed to Asphodelos (Endwalker's 1st tier) says a lot for it's difficulty.

But that's because the tier was tuned around 7.0 job tuning and most jobs got substansial buffs in 7.05.


Almost 1,000 groups cleared Light Heavyweight Week 1 and a little over 300 cleared Asphodelos Week 1.