Dawntrail Doomposting Megathread

[Gurgeh]

Correct. When I entered Chaotic, clearly everyone in there was having fun because we were finally in large scale content again after so much solo content in Endwalker.

In the Extreme, I was laughing and joking with the people I met. They all seemed so cheerful, and a rather good amount of times they dropped a discord link and I could hear that they enjoyed the content and were having a good time together.

Yes, you are missing the point then, twice.
You need be to be focusing on how much fun people who 'don't' do PF content are having.
Day three of Chaotic PF was already horrible. It was already wait for 30-60 mins or more for fill, pull twice, someone abandons and wait another 30-60 minutes. Play for 30, another abandon, then 6 leave at once then the party collapsesc and start again. It was horrible.
Frankly Jeeqbit something is starting not to add up if your saying you had a good experience of PF.
Like we're you public PF, or are were you using a discord PF? Most PFs don't go to voice. I've only ever seen two true public PF go to voice. (Frankly one was terrible because they just kept joking throughout and it was impossible to concentrate.)

As for OC, maybe it's an EU NA thing then, because none is joking and chatting in shout. In fact the only lengthy interaction was when someone asked people to slow down and wait at the fates, and some dick kept answering to tell them to "be faster", "get good", "I can manage it so why can't you"
The dick was on my party. Din't bother to say hi to me but could be bothered to harass over shout. (I sympathised with the person over shout so they didn't feel they were alone. Ruined the experience for me though because i was already meh, so I was more than happy to log off. I called them out in party then left to do anything better. It's bad enough I'd had to pay for this experience I wasnt to going to suffer it more than necessary.)
And that is the nearest to an exchange I have seen.
OC is not at all sociable. Not on EU. Maybe it's starting to now as the casuals are coming on board but, how much longer do I wait if I log in today and find that's still not the case? Treat again tomorrow? And again?

[Jeeqbit]

Telling people to suck it up and just do the old treadmill, Hildibrand that was… 30 minutes at the start and one of the most boring beasttribes with three quests a day while high end raiders didn’t go even one patch (and with the field zone even got one more raid) without content for them

I wasn't just saying just Hildibrand and the beast tribe, but the beast tribe and custom delivery is spaced out and something to occupy a casual amount of time. I mentioned hunts, FATEs and PvP Series because I know lots and lots of people who don't raid that do and enjoy these things. I say it only because I personally did these things myself and enjoyed them.

I'm also not saying they couldn't or shouldn't add other content to occupy time like the Field Operation. I'm just saying that outside of the forums, people just do the aforementioned content and seem happy with it contrary to how the OP presents it. I actually do not get the sense players are "exhausted" as described, and my guess for why that is, is because the majority of those exhausted unsubscribed earlier in the last year or before.

At some points it seems that they either have lost passion outside a few members (you can see the “love” still in the music, fights and a few gear pieces and graphic highlights), have no idea what they want themselves or have delegated the newer devs to this game while all others do other things.

I don't believe they have lost passion at all, but it's true they have added a lot of new developers (and have been doing a big recruitment for important jobs lately like writing and programming). However, Yoshi-P has consistently said that a lot of the developers now were once players.

I think part of the issue ultimately must be the arduous process of approvals and procedures they have to go through in order to do anything that isn't the status quo, or they are just too afraid to ask if they can do anything that isn't the status quo, or doing it would be difficult because different departments are responsible for different tasks even if one person could handle the entire set of tasks which would make it simpler. I can't think of a better explanation at this point, when independent developers don't have these struggles over a 10 year period.

Yes, you are missing the point then, twice.

I only responded to your own sentences.

You need be to be focusing on how much fun people who 'don't' do PF content are having.

So I need to focus on how much fun people who don't play the game are having? Got it...

Like we're you public PF, or are were you using a discord PF?

Just PF.

Most PFs don't go to voice. I've only ever seen two true public PF go to voice.

You are in the EU region. There are multiple languages in the EU. As such, voice is difficult, because it requries all the players there to be able to understand what is being said (verbally). It's different in the NA region because almost everyone universally speaks English. While it's rare in the NA region too, it's far more common than "twice". I mean, I killed Zalenia Extreme almost 100 times and plenty of them did drop discord links. Maybe 20-40%? I don't really track the percentage. It's optional to join, but I always do it.

[Mawlzy]

You are in the EU region. There are multiple languages in the EU. As such, voice is difficult, because it requries all the players there to be able to understand what is being said (verbally). It's different in the NA region because almost everyone universally speaks English. While it's rare in the NA region too, it's far more common than "twice". I mean, I killed Zalenia Extreme almost 100 times and plenty of them did drop discord links. Maybe 20-40%? I don't really track the percentage. It's optional to join, but I always do it.

Like you, I play on Aether. I have never once seen a Discord link dropped in chat in any of the content I do.

The happy, shiny people you meet, who are all laughing and having a good time, are clearly in EX+ content. We understand why they're having a good time. The game is now made exclusively for them.

[Hallarem]

I wasn't just saying just Hildibrand and the beast tribe, but the beast tribe and custom delivery is spaced out and something to occupy a casual amount of time. I mentioned hunts, FATEs and PvP Series because I know lots and lots of people who don't raid that do and enjoy these things. I say it only because I personally did these things myself and enjoyed them.

Are these lots and lots of people in the same room with us now? Nothing wrong with saying you enjoy something, but I am willing to bet my savings on the fact that a five minute daily for beast tribes, OLD hunts, OLD fates is nothing to get overly thrilled and happy about for "lots and lots of people". My whole FC for example is pretty much done with the game, half unsubbed and didnt come back after they heard Occult is just the same stuff over again, half just meander along, including myself. This whole narrative of "the forums is just an outlier and the REAL people inside the game actually enjoy repeating the same slop" Look I'm happy that you are surrounded by these happy people who enjoy whatever SE dishes out, but that is not the overwhelming majority of people, like you claim.

[PercibelTheren]

OC is not at all sociable. Not on EU.

Exactly. There are 5 possible messages you see in shout. Those are.

1: lfg
2: lfg gold farm
3: lfg ce
4: rez pls (coordinates)
5: omw

That's it. That's the extent of social interaction in OC. If you're lucky, the people in your CE farming party say hi and then tyfp when they leave. That's it.