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  1. #10791
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Jp is very insular on the their forums. While when a JP person comes here we usually go “more people to talk to” if we go there they basically say “why aren’t you on the EN forums”. I know alot of comments in the JP forums that got progressively deleted as they were deemed to be from people who had no “reason” to be on the JP forums

    The one time this didn’t seem to happen was during the character upgrade beta but that was more because JP itself was happy to bend the rules to get more feedback out there to get change. In a situation like this where we are more annoyed than JP they’d at best go “well we are happy” at worst go “why are you on the JP forums report”
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  2. #10792
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Had to dig it up but it's probably worth reading through the topic made on the JP boards again (assuming the machine translations are decent enough)

    Some brush it off like we got on this thread too, but the discussions get pretty in depth and they hit a lot of the same notes we do, including job homogenization and fight design in general being an issue. Some mention they haven't even really thought about it until then and are inclined to agree with it.

    I think we tend to agree that the problems are real at least.
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  3. #10793
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    Had to dig it up but it's probably worth reading through the topic made on the JP boards again (assuming the machine translations are decent enough)

    Some brush it off like we got on this thread too, but the discussions get pretty in depth and they hit a lot of the same notes we do, including job homogenization and fight design in general being an issue. Some mention they haven't even really thought about it until then and are inclined to agree with it.

    I think we tend to agree that the problems are real at least.
    There's probably a small clump of people on JP that dismiss everything and say "Well, I like not needing to heal so I can just relax in my roulettes", just like we have some over here on the EN forums too.

    But I think most people from any region do agree that what we have now isn't great at all and something needs to change.
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  4. #10794
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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Seems we all agree there is an issue but how to fix it is the main problem. Also, I just remember the question from a whilr ago asking for a whm rework.
    Q8: Will we have rework on WHM?
    Answer: On your question on WHM rework, it's hard to define what exactly rework is. While there will be adjustments, if you're asking about what will be changed, then we are considering a lot of changes including other jobs as well. While this will take a while, we plan to make it a reality one day
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  5. #10795
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    BigCheez's Avatar
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    Cheez Whiz
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    Twintania
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    They don't want green damage dealers, but they also don't want to have to heal. What they really want is a role that they can get carried through content on while AFKing to watch anime on a second monitor.

    They want the role to be completely and utterly braindead. Which they have accomplished, hence why they're against any kind of changes to the role.

    This is why the trinity system is dead in this game and why we now have blue healers/damage dealers and red healers/mitigations, because CBU3 had to give away the healers function to other roles to cover for lazy healers.

    Also, knowing when to dps and when to heal is part of a decision making process.
    What decision making?

    "Hmm... Should I cast Glare or Glare?"

    Incoming damage is so predictable in FFXIV that there is no decision making unless something has gone horribly wrong. And even then, in casual content, the problem is usually solved by pressing a single AOE heal button. Things need to have somehow gone catastrophically wrong to the extent that 6/8 players (including your cohealer) are dead before any real decision making needs to happen, and you'll see a situation like that in maybe 1 in 50 duties.
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  6. #10796
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    Things need to have somehow gone catastrophically wrong to the extent that 6/8 players (including your cohealer) are dead before any real decision making needs to happen, and you'll see a situation like that in maybe 1 in 50 duties.
    RDM Rez Company at your service
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  7. #10797
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    Maybe we'll get like a 5 potency increase on the dots.
    I said this as a goddamn joke and we now get the patch notes...
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  8. #10798
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    xbahax92's Avatar
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    Flan Vongola
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    Raiden
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    I said this as a goddamn joke and we now get the patch notes...
    Congratz you won xD
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  9. #10799
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey have some respect

    They also nerfed oracle in AOE
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  10. #10800
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    I said this as a goddamn joke and we now get the patch notes...
    This patch note is a joke by itself... Again healer, ranged, RDM and SMN pushed aside, while PCT get again a buff.
    At this point is just hilarous.
    (0)
    Last edited by Lorika; 03-24-2025 at 08:33 PM.

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