They are gutting Black Mage even more in 7.2

[seolhyun]

welcome to the SMN club black mages!

[Wired-Lain]

welcome to the SMN club black mages!

Its funny cause when summoner got redesigned I thought it was actually kind of cool, instead of dots we're actually yknow, summoning things. It was dirt simple but I assumed it was just a basic foundation for further development and complexity down the line.

But now I see its just the intended design, for everyone it seems.

[Supersnow845]

Its funny cause when summoner got redesigned I thought it was actually kind of cool, instead of dots we're actually yknow, summoning things. It was dirt simple but I assumed it was just a basic foundation for further development and complexity down the line.

But now I see its just the intended design, for everyone it seems.

I really don’t know where this “you summon things so it’s good” mantra comes from

Sure old SMN could be argued to be a poison mage but it’s not like new SMN is anything besides a weird evoker given 99% of its time is spent casting aspected spells of a summon that lasted 2 seconds

Like FF has never agreed on what a SMN is so I don’t see why this one “got it right”

[Wired-Lain]

I really don’t know where this “you summon things so it’s good” mantra comes from

Sure old SMN could be argued to be a poison mage but it’s not like new SMN is anything besides a weird evoker given 99% of its time is spent casting aspected spells of a summon that lasted 2 seconds

Like FF has never agreed on what a SMN is so I don’t see why this one “got it right”

Because when I play a job called "Summoner" I want to at least see a big cool monster drop down once in a while. Also please read the rest of my post before claiming I said it was "good."

[Supersnow845]

Because when I play a job called "Summoner" I want to at least see a big cool monster drop down once in a while. Also please read the rest of my post before claiming I said it was "good."

That’s the thing, you aren’t doing anything with that summon, they do a raidwide and leave, you are basically an elemental evoker. The only summons that stay and do something are Bahamut and Phoenix but they are holdovers from ShB and they were more complex in ShB

And I’m not saying you said it’s good as a complete job I’m saying you said it’s design direction is good in terms of it feeling like a SMN

[Wired-Lain]

That’s the thing, you aren’t doing anything with that summon, they do a raidwide and leave, you are basically an elemental evoker. The only summons that stay and do something are Bahamut and Phoenix but they are holdovers from ShB and they were more complex in ShB

And I’m not saying you said it’s good as a complete job I’m saying you said it’s design direction is good

I'm not sure how else I can express that in my personal opinion getting to see guys like Ifrit or Garuda actually drop down and do a move which then imbues me with some of their abilities (like punching a dude) was cool and I thought made for a pretty neat foundation for additional things down the line (like more summons, greater use of them, etc) over poisoning enemies with my floating nugget. I stress again, I thought it was cool as a basic foundation. The future could have brought anything and it brought nothing but another Bahamut for some reason.

[Azurarok]

Because when I play a job called "Summoner" I want to at least see a big cool monster drop down once in a while. Also please read the rest of my post before claiming I said it was "good."

We were already doing just that with Bahamut and Phoenix. They also probably could've just upgraded enkindle to have your current egi turn into a gem summon briefly anyways

[BunnyReaper]

Its funny cause when summoner got redesigned I thought it was actually kind of cool, instead of dots we're actually yknow, summoning things. It was dirt simple but I assumed it was just a basic foundation for further development and complexity down the line.

But now I see its just the intended design, for everyone it seems.

In theory new summoner is an ACTUAL summoner. However, DT dropped and instead of giving us more summons, for example Odin. Imagine summoning Odin and going into a melee phase or just doing more damage while he's active etc. Just more summons, anything. Instead SMN got another bahamut, yay.

[User202503201232]

welcome to the SMN club black mages!

Started all the way from MCH and healers tbh.

[YukioKobayashi]

Started all the way from MCH and healers tbh.

Ngl.. I dont even mind the MCH changes.
At least the changes they did from SB to ShB.
Standing still with Flamethrower to gain heat for Wildfire was more annoying than engaging.
I do miss HW's caster MCH tho.