Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[NekoMataMata]

You really can’t read, can’t you? Where did I say it doesn’t exist? If that’s how you talk to people, it’s no wonder you get bad responses.

This is a discussion, it's a bit different from interacting with players in-game. I'm calling out on what you're insinuating, but you're right, that was bait, wasn't it?

After all, if no one says anything then you run free with your statement, but if anyone says anything then you challenge them on how they interact with others.

[Nestama]

Not listen is one thing but I never saw any hostility towards someone giving advice in a positive and constructive manner.

You'd be surprised. It does happen. You phrase advice in the nicest way possible and someone WILL (either intentionally or unintentionally) find a way to read it as condescending.

I still remember when I neutrally recommended a WHM to use Holy III and both DPS jump down my throat and tell me to just focus on tanking (and then the WHM decided to only use Holy III, out of range, and never heal me from then on. Good thing I was a WAR).

And then there was this gem.

[Absimiliard]

People would get better at the game (or quit queuing for randoms) if we were allowed to roast them for being bad. Unfortunately, we are now at a point where politely worded constructive feedback, even when phrased as a request rather than a demand or whatever else "sets people off" these days, is an actionable offense.

So, simply put: need to revert the TOS. Allow the shaming of people that are incredibly bad at the game, and we will see a decrease in the number of those people tainting the queues with their presence.

[Soge01]

People really aren't incentivized to get better. Playing through Criterion Dungeons and Deep Dungeons makes you actually have to pay attention and improve on what your failing at. Especially DD. For the first time, I'm trying to solo the latest one and I'm really enjoying myself! Could be less instant kill mechanics all over it, but otherwise I'm having a fun time.

[Nestama]

People would get better at the game (or quit queuing for randoms) if we were allowed to roast them for being bad. Unfortunately, we are now at a point where politely worded constructive feedback, even when phrased as a request rather than a demand or whatever else "sets people off" these days, is an actionable offense.

No it's not. That is misinformation spread by people who don't read the ToS (or taking it way out of context).

[Tint]

You'd be surprised. It does happen. You phrase advice in the nicest way possible and someone WILL (either intentionally or unintentionally) find a way to read it as condescending.

Because it kind of is.

No matter how nice you are wording it, you are lecturing them for their wrongdoing in front of at least two other people.

Stuff like this should be handled in private, but of course we can't use /tell inside dungeons.

[Zebraoracle]

Oh, I have. I've had a handful of times where someone has given advice in a duty (in a friendly manner, mind you) and other people will jump in and say "You're doing fine, don't listen to them". It hasn't been as common now that a lot people are afraid to give advice, but when ShB was current, I saw it in at least one duty a day.

But to add my own two cents, I feel like when the game does add something that challenges players (take In From The Cold, for example), people were complaining left and right that they were struggling with it and couldn't beat it within the first few tries, so the devs nerfed it.

I'm not saying the game has to be horrendously hard, but when pushed to challenge themselves, people just get frustrated, give up, and complain until it gets nerfed. I personally just find that at least in the current generation, Gen Z, and even younger millennials, people give up if they don't get instant gratification. But yet they are made to believe thatthey have the skills and aptitude to beat a challenge so the content at hand must be the problem.

It may be a small minority, but yes those people definitely exist. Unless someone wants to claim the entirety of r/TalesOfDutyFinder is fake and made up (lol), there definitely exists these people that put their own hands over another player's ears and yell "blah blah blah" when third person tries to suggest improvements, regardless of how polite they are. It's freaking wild, man. I just... don't understand this mindset.

[Raven2014]

One player will always go out of their way to mess it up out of spite because you offered advice, that is the casual toxic mentality when asked to do something correctly.

question: how do you know the person in question is a casual? That could very well be an Ultimate raider just wanting to be a troll.

[Absimiliard]

question: how do you know the person in question is a casual? That could very well be an Ultimate raider just wanting to be a troll.

Could it be? Yes. Is it likely to be? No. Raiders make up a shockingly small portion of the playerbase, and the majority of that minority have better things to do than waste time griefing in inconsequential content.

[Ardeth]

It all comes down to how you play. I don't have time to savage raid or even learn extremes so I don't. Once the content can't be easily queable its dead to me. It's as simple as that.