FRU has been cleared without Tanks!

[Mikey_R]

Let’s not pretend it nuked the entire tank role from orbit.

It was picking up traction and it was heading in that direction, if it wasn't sorted out, it would have ended up like that. Again, nothing like that has even happened to the healer role, otherwise you would have mentioned it.

You can do DPSless clears of casual content, you can do tankless clears of casual content, what is your point? Skilled players can negate roles. If we used to do full tank runs of dungeons back in SB, does this mean healers and DPS aren't needed?

It isn't the norm for casual content to be cleared by healer less parties, most do things through the DF and don't even bother with the PF, because it doesn't matter. What you do with your friends doesn't correlate to the wider playerbase, namely because you are likely more skilled than the rest. I can say from my experience as a mediocre healer, I often have times where I have to GCD heal, that DPS just got hit be an AoE and needs healing, the tank isn't as good and needs a bit more babysitting. This is closer to your average group, where a healer is needed.

Again again though, I'm not saying there aren't issues, what I am saying is that a clear by a very skilled group of players does not indicate a problem with the role itself, just like the tankless video does not show a problem with the tank role.

[Supersnow845]

It was picking up traction and it was heading in that direction, if it wasn't sorted out, it would have ended up like that. Again, nothing like that has even happened to the healer role, otherwise you would have mentioned it.

You can do DPSless clears of casual content, you can do tankless clears of casual content, what is your point? Skilled players can negate roles. If we used to do full tank runs of dungeons back in SB, does this mean healers and DPS aren't needed?

It isn't the norm for casual content to be cleared by healer less parties, most do things through the DF and don't even bother with the PF, because it doesn't matter. What you do with your friends doesn't correlate to the wider playerbase, namely because you are likely more skilled than the rest. I can say from my experience as a mediocre healer, I often have times where I have to GCD heal, that DPS just got hit be an AoE and needs healing, the tank isn't as good and needs a bit more babysitting. This is closer to your average group, where a healer is needed.

Again again though, I'm not saying there aren't issues, what I am saying is that a clear by a very skilled group of players does not indicate a problem with the role itself, just like the tankless video does not show a problem with the tank role.

My point is “you can do tank clears or DPS clears of casual content” yeah and they are garbage, slow and messy. You do healerless clears and you are faster and more efficient for no tradeoff. And it requires just as much skill as agro controlling the titan egi in ramuh ex

You can’t argue both that titan egi replacing tanks was so easy everyone was doing it simply because ex is by nature done in PF but also argue that removing the healers agency in casual content isn’t a problem because it’s mostly done in DF when they basically are exactly equivalent- a role being removed for little to no skill and a more optimal solution being reached

The only difference is that healers also get to be unwilling enforced burdens when DF demands a healer when it isn’t needed. So imagine ramuh ex, but titan egi is tanking but you still have to join as a tank only to have someone else do your role for you. It’s the worst of every world