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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    Ah yes, the false comparison. I did think about making a comment on healers, but decided against it, however, since you commented so nicely;

    When is the last time you saw someone put up a PF for casual content, let alone go through the effort to exclude healers? You don't, as you said, they use DF, so already off to a bad start.

    So, the next question, when was the last time your average DF excluded healers from (on release) Extreme, Savage or Ultimate parties? I haven't known any time and, just looking at the PF on Chaos at this time, 1 for Valigarmanda Ex, 2 tanks 2 healers, Chaotic, 2 tanks and 2 healers per alliance party, Sphene, 2 tanks 2 healers, M1S, 2 tanks 2 healers, Byakko Unreal, 2 tanks 2 healers.

    Obviously, that is a small snippet at a specific point in time, but if healers (and tanks) were being excluded because it made life easier, you would have thought they would do so.

    Compare that to Ramuh EX where NOONE wanted a tank. You would not find a party as a tank. Titan Egi directly invalidated an entire role with no downsides. Everyone could do it. That is not the case here where not having a tank or healer is a massive detriment for your average group.

    Do note that this does not mean there is not an issue with the healers or even the tanks, it is just that using a specific clear from a very skilled group of players that the vast majority would never be able to do is bad evidence to bring forward that there is an issue.
    “Absolutely nobody wanted a tank”

    This clear wasn’t even well known and was patched in less than a week. You could genuinely have blinked and you wouldn’t have even noticed that clear drama pass you by

    Let’s not pretend it nuked the entire tank role from orbit.

    Healerless clears of casual content is far more widespread and acted upon than the ramuh clear. Not to mention that healers are invalidated even when they are present; which is somehow even worse, who wants to be physically present AND not needed
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 03-09-2025 at 10:48 PM.
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess