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    YarnMage48's Avatar
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    Makoto Yumishi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
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    So what you are really saying is that Scholar is better because it came first. And look mate, you don't need to be condescending by using all caps. The issue is that you weren't being clear. Addersgall lacks nuance? No. If they are copies then they have the same amount of nuance. You don't like addersgall because it is a copy of aetherflow. OK. We can go from there.

    The idea that Aetherflow is better because it came first is simply weak. The best airplane isn't first one to ever be made. You can hate Sage because so much is based off Scholar. That's fine for a personal grievance. But Sage being based off of a good system doesn't mean that it's worse than scholar. They can go different directions with the same base model and end with two different classes. In fact, that's exactly how we ended up with Scholar and Summoner. They both start as Arcanists, and the model branches off from there.

    As you said, it took time for them to fill out Scholar and figure out how all of its skills needed to work. They then took a model that they knew worked, and started working on morphing it into a new model. It's not all the way there yet but if they work a little at a time, they'll get there. I'd much prefer that to when they reinvented the wheel, and have since spent every future expansion trying to bring AST into a good, balanced state.

    Regarding one of the major deviations from Scholar, namely, the regeneration of mana through the use of Addersgall stacks, I think I understand your points. The lack of proper punctuation has made things a little hard to parse, but I think I follow. It seems that you dislike that, with both WHM and SGE, you might end up using healing skills not for the healing, but for the accumulation of a resource. Rather than making mana regen based on the accumulation of addersgall, we could instead fix this by having something to use it on other than healing. I'd like that a lot. But at the end of the day, I'm not overly hung up on having to burn a stack of addersgall for mana, if that even happens. It can only happen where I'm in an encounter long enough for Lucid Dreaming to not cover DPS mana usage while also somehow not encountering any need to heal that entire time. That's few and far between.

    Rather than your initial claim that you just transferred the heal plan 1 to 1 and it worked exactly the same, you had to work out a combination of skills from Scholar to make the same effect that Sage has. it still worked but what we've learned is that the reality was different from your initial claim. You can make them work they same if you like, but they don't actually work exactly the same.
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by YarnMage48 View Post
    I'd much prefer that to when they reinvented the wheel, and have since spent every future expansion trying to bring AST into a good, balanced state.
    The thing they keep reinventing are the cards, which are primarily dps tools. The healing kit design's been pretty static since ShB, maybe earlier than that.

    In fact, it was so good in their eyes they bent the other healers to its oGCD healing design in EW, which has been one of the biggest offenders in the role's homogenization.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by YarnMage48 View Post
    So what you are really saying is that Scholar is better because it came first.
    No, Aetherflow has more it can leverage. It has a CD that comes at cost and actually adds some intensity to the situations in which you'd want to use it. Its use cases are more distinct from each other and there is greater versatility in healing/sustain options. There is an opportunity cost to heals. You have a manual generator allowing for effectively 6 charges.

    SGE was left with essentially a copy-pasted version of the same system pared down of most of its skill expression and interesting levers. It's the post-Kaiten-Kenki of healer gimmicks.

    Be it through Addersgall or elsewhere, SGE deserves more to make it unique.
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