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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    I do remember reading of a "healer only" clear of something or other and tanks saying to the effect of "See? There's no issue here."
    Actually for real. I always wanted to ask Avycatte what her clear time was on her x4 healer runs, cause I guarantee the 3 dps 1 tank comp clears WAY faster than 4 healer comp.

    Edit: Ugh, typo.
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    Last edited by Iedarus; 02-14-2025 at 04:19 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Actually for real. I always wanted to ask Avycatte what her clear time was on her no healer runs, cause I guarantee the 3 dps 1 tank comp clears WAY faster than 4 healer comp.
    a clear time on 3 dps and 1 healer would be pretty close to a 1 tank and 3 dps.

    4 tanks would be slower then standard 1/1/2 dungeon comps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    a clear time on 3 dps and 1 healer would be pretty close to a 1 tank and 3 dps.

    4 tanks would be slower then standard 1/1/2 dungeon comps.
    1 tank 3 dps clears much faster than 1 healer 3 dps. It isn't even close.

    Tank can handle larger packs of mobs. DPS cannot without being healed considerably, thus losing out on dps from the healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    1 tank 3 dps clears much faster than 1 healer 3 dps. It isn't even close.

    Tank can handle larger packs of mobs. DPS cannot without being healed considerably, thus losing out on dps from the healer.
    This is just incorrect, I've ran dungeons with 3 dps and one healer and been able to pull both mob packs, while the healer still fits in a lot of dps, It's really not that difficult lol, tanks are not needed in dungeons for a quick run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    This is just incorrect, I've ran dungeons with 3 dps and one healer and been able to pull both mob packs, while the healer still fits in a lot of dps, It's really not that difficult lol, tanks are not needed in dungeons for a quick run.
    You're not fooling anyone.

    1 Tank and 3 DPS is meta for speed running dungeons due to the tank's ability to hold enmity, number of mitigations, and broken self and group sustain (for dungeons). Not even mentioning the biggest thing for speed running: Tanks also do thousands of more DPS than the healer role.

    Alexandria Team Speed Runs

    Tender Valley Team Speed Runs

    The Strayborough Deadwalk Team Speed Runs

    Yuweyawata Field Station Team Speed Runs

    Crazy how in each list, the top 50 all have tanks. Not a single 1 Healer 3 DPS Team. Lots of 1 Tank 3 Dps teams though.
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    Last edited by MisterNublet; 02-14-2025 at 08:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    You're not fooling anyone.

    1 Tank and 3 DPS is meta for speed running dungeons due to the tank's ability to hold enmity, number of mitigations, and broken self and group sustain (for dungeons). Not even mentioning the biggest thing for speed running: Tanks also do thousands of more DPS than the healer role.

    Alexandria Team Speed Runs

    Tender Valley Team Speed Runs

    The Strayborough Deadwalk Team Speed Runs

    Yuweyawata Field Station Team Speed Runs

    Crazy how in each list, the top 50 all have tanks. Not a single 1 Healer 3 DPS Team. Lots of 1 Tank 3 Dps teams though.
    So who am I exactly trying to fool? I've literally done 3 dps and 1 healer runs before, it didn't take long at all, if healers had better damage then tanks they'd likely run that for speed runs. also I didn't say it was meta to run 1 healer and 3 dps for speed groups, It wouldn't be as fast as 3 dps and 1 tank, because tank does more damage, 3 dps and healer of course will be less common because of that, with the added fact that it's easier to likely just solo tank.

    Dungeon content shouldn't really be took seriously and we shouldn't be using dungeons to prove that healer is flawed, it's easy to tell that healer's need big changes but using dungeons as a reason is baffling to me, that content isn't engaging or difficult for any role you can pretty much run anything with in reason.
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    Last edited by Rithy255; 02-14-2025 at 09:40 AM.