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  1. #10301
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    Kohashi's Avatar
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    Lucaon Soho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Yes “my feelings continue to fall on deaf ears” is a statement saying I’m not getting listened to and that’s why I’m leaving the role, it’s not a statement saying I demand to be listened to, that would be “I’m getting ignored and yoshi p needs to stop ignoring me”

    I’m so glad I could teach this lesson, please come back any time you are interested in learning what phrases actually mean
    you wrote my feedback not feelings, "my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears" What feelings are you talking about? Nor sure if this is sad or funny at this point.

    @Kes13a

    allow me since this is very hard for you to do : LINK

    With Pictures : HERE, HERE -> taken from THIS site and of course THIS.

    Please elaborate on your experience while you correlate with the data presented. I will be here waiting. I am waiting here how your "feelings" correlate with the data presented and how people are playing healers there because it's more "rewarding. (according to you anyway)
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    Last edited by Kohashi; 01-29-2025 at 02:00 AM.

  2. #10302
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind View Post
    I am impressed by your patience, Supersnow845, a true healer main at heart…
    It’s the same song & dance that many veterans had dealt with before for the last 5-8 years depending on where they draw the line. It certainly won’t be the last either lol. Ironically it’s more ‘engaging’ than actually pressing 111111111 in-game.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDustyOne View Post
    […]If we want the healer population to grow, you first need to get people to find it fun; making it easy is only a short term solution. Word of mouth can do the rest.
    Anecdotally speaking, there’s simply no real benefit that I can say to people who seek to try it out other than “It’s fastest que rate” and “easiest to get comms” which made them frown why I have nothing else to add out of my main role. Friendo gave a try for a bit, find it fun for first few runs, then they quickly drop it few days after because “It’s boring.”

    Imagine MSQ’ing as an AST… /shudder
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    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  3. #10303
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    you wrote my feedback not feelings, "my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears" What feelings are you talking about? Nor sure if this is sad or funny at this point.

    @Kes13a

    allow me since this is very hard for you to do : LINK

    With Pictures : HERE, HERE -> taken from THIS site and of course THIS.

    Please elaborate on your experience while you correlate with the data presented. I will be here waiting. I am waiting here how your "feelings" correlate with the data presented and how people are playing healers there because it's more "rewarding. (according to you anyway)
    Yes I’m really not sure if it’s sad or funny that me saying feedback or feelings literally doesn’t change the context of that sentence at all and yet you desperately trying to act like it does. I’m being ignored, they don’t have to listen to me, nor are they apparently listening to me, I’m still being ignored. This really isn’t hard to understand

    Emboldening words doesn’t change a wrong point
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  4. #10304
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    Sami'a Amriyo
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    Splitting hairs and playing semantics will not prove your point. Yes, all of the healer jobs are playable. No, they are not fun. Some agree with you, some with me. That's to be expected. Healers could have one healing and damage button and there still would be people who would like them. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be any criticism or suggestion on how to make them better.

    The devs have said they read the forums and take suggestion, although the community has no idea if ideas on the forums are truly delivered to the devs at all. We also don't know who they are listening due to the changes to other jobs. You may not like the suggestions in this thread and that's fine. Because the healers are atm viable and playable, suggesting anything means almost nothing. If you are afraid the jobs will change substantially, lashing out to us who want change is foolish. As you said, why would the devs listen to us? Who are you fighting? If the critique and suggestions are not heard, best case scenario we stop playing healers as per the strike, worst we stop playing the game altogether.
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    Last edited by kyyninen_kirahvi; 01-29-2025 at 04:05 AM. Reason: spelling

  5. #10305
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    It's getting to a point to where there are more and more videos that are starting to appear. Of course we have Rinon's video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTT5LGWt35k&t=503s

    But we also have this one right here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGQ09bavgXY And it's really hard to find any videos praising dawntrial healing in particular.
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  6. #10306
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    It's getting to a point to where there are more and more videos that are starting to appear. Of course we have Rinon's video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTT5LGWt35k&t=503s

    But we also have this one right here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGQ09bavgXY And it's really hard to find any videos praising Dawn Trail healing in particular.
    Chris's "Honest Rant About Healing..." is right on the mark. It sums up everything quite nicely.

    He's gained a subscriber and not just because I agree with him about healing. He really lays out the facts in a calm, easy to follow manner.
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  7. #10307
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    There really isn’t anything to praise on DT’s healing because all the new damage moves prove is they CAN they just won’t for some reason so they played it so safe as to just feel like blue balling than actual improvement

    Take baneful impaction, change it from proccing off chain to proccing off aetherflow, make it a GCD with a slightly higher potency to compensate then have it if you apply baneful to an enemy with biolysis on it then all surrounding enemies get baneful and biolysis so it still sorta fulfils the bane angle

    It’s still not great but it’s already 10* better than the current design and I barely changed anything
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #10308
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Take baneful impaction, change it from proccing off chain to proccing off aetherflow, make it a GCD with a slightly higher potency to compensate then have it if you apply baneful to an enemy with biolysis on it then all surrounding enemies get baneful and biolysis so it still sorta fulfils the bane angle
    Personally, I'd take Baneful Impaction and change it into a 5s cast GCD spell and you can get an instant cast proc from using Aetherflow. So then you'd be able to use it more often, it would be a minor gain over Broil and you'd have to consider if you're safe to stand there for 5s to cast it.
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  9. #10309
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    Another benefit of decoupling Baneful Impaction from Chain is the event should you are paired with dupe SCHs in 8-24 man contents. We went from "I forgot to press chain the entire fight" to "oops let's just overwrite one another heheh". I honestly know not which one is better, but what I know for sure is neither of them feels great.

    Their obsession to consider 8-man savage/ultimate and nothing else is really tiresome to watch. There are also players outside those content, yanno SE?
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 01-29-2025 at 06:41 PM.

  10. #10310
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Another benefit of decoupling Baneful Impaction from Chain is the event should you are paired with dupe SCHs in 8-24 man contents. We went from "I forgot to press chain the entire fight" to "oops let's just overwrite one another heheh". I honestly know not which one is better, but what I know for sure is neither of them feels great.

    Their obsession to consider 8-man savage/ultimate and nothing else is really tiresome to watch. There are also players outside those content, yanno SE?
    This is very much something I dislike with the recent decision to add a bunch of follow-up oGCDs to the raid buffs.

    I was playing RDM several weeks back in Jeuno and got a party nearly full of RDM. We somehow managed to co-ordinate (most of the time) with staggering Embolden, but that does come with the cost of delaying the follow-up attack, losing a use of it in any given fight. Thinking about duplicate jobs in alliance that rely on debuffs like SCH makes that idea far worse, because now you're effectively throwing away an alliance buff to try and stay in line with your parties buffs. Before it didn't matter, you just co-ordinate and try to get your buffs to not overlap, now it comes with a loss that just feels bad if you can actually co-ordinate your raid buffs.

    Also they're just filler for fillers sake, they don't add anything meaningful to the rotation besides "big number every 2 minutes".
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