#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kohashi]

You say as you have literally zero evidence you are the majority other than the fact that it’s your opinion nor do you have any evidence that what we are suggesting would be Hated by everyone who isn’t us and therefore it’s your assumed minority vs everyone else. In a discussion on the state of healers 95% (generic number meaning vast majority) of players don’t care either way, you can’t assume they would say no in order to induce inertia, that’s just stupid

You act like we are entitled while taking your own opinion as the default “assumed developer” opinion so therefore it can’t be wrong

Introspection is hard apparently

Show me when I said I represent the majority? This only further proves how poorly you understand the stuff that you read. I am in fact representing even a smaller category because, in every single post where job design was the main subject, I said that the FF14 combat style is shit. It was always a sore point for me because I enjoyed action combat style. (TERA, Blade and Soul, Black Desert, Devil May Cry series). But I recognize that I am not the target audience and ff14 was NEVER a game that provided action combat for its fighting part.

It was my decision to play the game and my decision to stick with it. And while there are some aspects I don't like, I have other things that make up for it. Nobody forces me to play this game, and I bear the responsibility of it alone. I may come and say, I think this could improve and provide a solution for it but I never say "devs should listen to me because I have played this game for 14 years and I am entitled to be heard out".

[Supersnow845]

Show me when I said I represent the majority? This only further proves how poorly you understand the stuff that you read. I am in fact representing even a smaller category because, in every single post where job design was the main subject, I said that the FF14 combat style is shit. It was always a sore point for me because I enjoyed action combat style. (TERA, Blade and Soul, Black Desert, Devil May Cry series). But I recognize that I am not the target audience and ff14 was NEVER a game that provided action combat for its fighting part.

It was my decision to play the game and my decision to stick with it. And while there are some aspects I don't like, I have other things that make up for it. Nobody forces me to play this game, and I bear the responsibility of it alone. I may come and say, I think this could improve and provide a solution for it but I never say "devs should listen to me because I have played this game for 14 years and I am entitled to be heard out".

So your entire point is built on nothing considering nobody here believes that we are entitled to be heard out

For someone who claims other people don’t understand what they read you apparently don’t get that “I think the devs are stupid for keeping healers this way” is not demanding to be heard out, it’s voicing a grievance (somehow this is probably the fault of your weird hyper literal reading of every comment) the devs don’t have to read it (and given healer design direction they most assuredly won’t)

Considering your entire point seems to be “it’s your own personal responsibility to decide if playing this is worth it” you really seem intent on policing what other people do

[Kohashi]

So your entire point is built on nothing considering nobody here believes that we are entitled to be heard out

Allow me to quote you

" As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears."

You were saying?

Just stop dude..lol

[Supersnow845]

Allow me to quote you

" As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears."

You were saying?

Just stop dude..lol

Yes “my feelings continue to fall on deaf ears” is a statement saying I’m not getting listened to and that’s why I’m leaving the role, it’s not a statement saying I demand to be listened to, that would be “I’m getting ignored and yoshi p needs to stop ignoring me”

I’m so glad I could teach this lesson, please come back any time you are interested in learning what phrases actually mean

[SongOfTheWind]

I am impressed by your patience, Supersnow845, a true healer main at heart…

[Kohashi]

Yes “my feelings continue to fall on deaf ears” is a statement saying I’m not getting listened to and that’s why I’m leaving the role, it’s not a statement saying I demand to be listened to, that would be “I’m getting ignored and yoshi p needs to stop ignoring me”

I’m so glad I could teach this lesson, please come back any time you are interested in learning what phrases actually mean

you wrote my feedback not feelings, "my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears" What feelings are you talking about? Nor sure if this is sad or funny at this point.

@Kes13a

allow me since this is very hard for you to do : LINK

With Pictures : HERE, HERE -> taken from THIS site and of course THIS.

Please elaborate on your experience while you correlate with the data presented. I will be here waiting. I am waiting here how your "feelings" correlate with the data presented and how people are playing healers there because it's more "rewarding. (according to you anyway)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I am impressed by your patience, Supersnow845, a true healer main at heart…

It’s the same song & dance that many veterans had dealt with before for the last 5-8 years depending on where they draw the line. It certainly won’t be the last either lol. Ironically it’s more ‘engaging’ than actually pressing 111111111 in-game.

[…]If we want the healer population to grow, you first need to get people to find it fun; making it easy is only a short term solution. Word of mouth can do the rest.

Anecdotally speaking, there’s simply no real benefit that I can say to people who seek to try it out other than “It’s fastest que rate” and “easiest to get comms” which made them frown why I have nothing else to add out of my main role. Friendo gave a try for a bit, find it fun for first few runs, then they quickly drop it few days after because “It’s boring.”

Imagine MSQ’ing as an AST… /shudder

[Supersnow845]

you wrote my feedback not feelings, "my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears" What feelings are you talking about? Nor sure if this is sad or funny at this point.

@Kes13a

allow me since this is very hard for you to do : LINK

With Pictures : HERE, HERE -> taken from THIS site and of course THIS.

Please elaborate on your experience while you correlate with the data presented. I will be here waiting. I am waiting here how your "feelings" correlate with the data presented and how people are playing healers there because it's more "rewarding. (according to you anyway)

Yes I’m really not sure if it’s sad or funny that me saying feedback or feelings literally doesn’t change the context of that sentence at all and yet you desperately trying to act like it does. I’m being ignored, they don’t have to listen to me, nor are they apparently listening to me, I’m still being ignored. This really isn’t hard to understand

Emboldening words doesn’t change a wrong point

[kyyninen_kirahvi]

Splitting hairs and playing semantics will not prove your point. Yes, all of the healer jobs are playable. No, they are not fun. Some agree with you, some with me. That's to be expected. Healers could have one healing and damage button and there still would be people who would like them. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be any criticism or suggestion on how to make them better.

The devs have said they read the forums and take suggestion, although the community has no idea if ideas on the forums are truly delivered to the devs at all. We also don't know who they are listening due to the changes to other jobs. You may not like the suggestions in this thread and that's fine. Because the healers are atm viable and playable, suggesting anything means almost nothing. If you are afraid the jobs will change substantially, lashing out to us who want change is foolish. As you said, why would the devs listen to us? Who are you fighting? If the critique and suggestions are not heard, best case scenario we stop playing healers as per the strike, worst we stop playing the game altogether.

[Maltothoris]

It's getting to a point to where there are more and more videos that are starting to appear. Of course we have Rinon's video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTT5LGWt35k&t=503s

But we also have this one right here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGQ09bavgXY And it's really hard to find any videos praising dawntrial healing in particular.