fflogs and privacy

[Alice_Rivers]

I really don't see a problem here, kicking or sidelining or harassing people using logs is against TOS and therefore reportable, and there's a method (which admittedly could be better displayed) to hide your logs if you're really that worried about them.

[BokoToloko]

I really don't see a problem here, kicking or sidelining or harassing people using logs is against TOS and therefore reportable, and there's a method (which admittedly could be better displayed) to hide your logs if you're really that worried about them.

Problem is, not everyone knows about fflogs, the site also shows logs on casual fights (normal raids and ARs) meaning there can be logs of a character that hasn't ever touched anything beyond EX trials and this solution places the burden of responsibility on users, who aren't really at fault. Also, ayone who looks to harrass people thrugh the logs will move to take the hidden logs as an admission of guilt of sorts as a hidden logs makes it obvious that the person knows about the page and has gone out of their way to hid the data. And it sounds like splitting hairs but, sadly, that's about how persistent people can get. This kind of mindset has even surfaced on the TalesFromDF subreddit.

They could, at the very least, set character logs to be hidden by default, instead of the other way around. The best way to deal with a problem is to prevent it from happening to begin with, rather than deal with it when it comes to the door.

[CaedemSanguis]

Problem is, not everyone knows about fflogs, the site also shows logs on casual fights (normal raids and ARs) meaning there can be logs of a character that hasn't ever touched anything beyond EX trials and this solution places the burden of responsibility on users, who aren't really at fault. Also, ayone who looks to harrass people thrugh the logs will move to take the hidden logs as an admission of guilt of sorts as a hidden logs makes it obvious that the person knows about the page and has gone out of their way to hid the data. And it sounds like splitting hairs but, sadly, that's about how persistent people can get. This kind of mindset has even surfaced on the TalesFromDF subreddit.

They could, at the very least, set character logs to be hidden by default, instead of the other way around. The best way to deal with a problem is to prevent it from happening to begin with, rather than deal with it when it comes to the door.

who tf harass casuals doing their roulettes/24 man raid ? what the hell lol

[BokoToloko]

who tf harass casuals doing their roulettes/24 man raid ? what the hell lol

I already had someone harrass me in Zadnor, of all places, and come out of the blue with parses from E10N (they pretty much searched me on fflogs, looking for something to bash me with) about one or two years ago. And I'm saying this as someone who barely gets involved with anything beyond the occasional EX PF, let alone get involved with serious raiding circles, where a good chunk of the drama gathers (the other place being RP places).

You can be years here and still be surprised by the lack of inhibition some players have. Could make for a theorical law: "People always underestimate the amount of unhinged people circulating in FFXIV community".

[BigCheez]

I already had someone harrass me in Zadnor, of all places, and come out of the blue with parses from E10N (they pretty much searched me on fflogs, looking for something to bash me with) about one or two years ago.

You can be years here and still be surprised by the lack of inhibition some players have. Could make for a theorical law: "People always underestimate the amount of unhinged people circulating in FFXIV community".

What some people fail to realise, is that while this small minority of unhinged individuals does exist, they don't actually need FFLogs to be unhinged individuals. If someone wants to be an elitist weirdo in a videogame, they'll do it using whatever information they can get their hands on. If they couldn't find you on FFLogs, they'd search you somewhere else and find something else. There's plenty of information on Lodestone.

This doesn't have anything to do with FFLogs and unlike the data that's available through the stalker plogon, they can't actually use it to do anything that will directly affect your gameplay experience.

[BokoToloko]

What some people fail to realise, is that while this small minority of unhinged individuals does exist, they don't actually need FFLogs to be unhinged individuals. If someone wants to be an elitist weirdo in a videogame, they'll do it using whatever information they can get their hands on. If they couldn't find you on FFLogs, they'd search you somewhere else and find something else. There's plenty of information on Lodestone.

This doesn't have anything to do with FFLogs and unlike the data that's available through the stalker plogon, they can't actually use it to do anything that will directly affect your gameplay experience.

I am very conscious that person was part of a minority. The problem starts when the minority starts gathering up and become a more notable and noisy minority unless a line is drawn. And trying to ignore that doesn't end well.

Not to mention my example is just a random spillover from the raiding community, someone who just took it on a player that wasn't even related to raiding. I've heard and read enough from other about the raiding community that logs and parse have already been used time and again.

And I'll repeat what I said several pages before, making FFLogs character profiles private shouldn't really affect you in any way. If someone is hiding their progression, you have every right to refuse them in your group. Those who want to do serious raiding will want to leave verifiable data that proves they're competent enough to not get under other's feet. Just let those who don't out of it because we shouldn't be opting out of something that we never had a chance to refuse at the start.

[BigCheez]

I am very conscious that person was part of a minority. The problem starts when the minority starts gathering up and become a more notable and noisy minority unless a line is drawn. And trying to ignore that doesn't end well.

Not to mention my example is just a random spillover from the raiding community, someone who just took it on a player that wasn't even related to raiding. I've heard and read enough from other about the raiding community that logs and parse have already been used time and again.

And I'll repeat what I said several pages before, making FFLogs character profiles private shouldn't really affect you in any way. If someone is hiding their progression, you have every right to refuse them in your group. Those who want to do serious raiding will want to leave verifiable data that proves they're competent enough to not get under other's feet. Just let those who don't out of it because we shouldn't be opting out of something that we never had a chance to refuse at the start.

We don't need to worry about that because the line has already been drawn and is enforced. If someone is flaming you for having bad logs in-game, report them and a GM will action it.

I think there are better, less nuclear, ways to deal with this "random spillover", i.e. FFLogs not ranking logs for casual content. There's really no need for anything that doesn't fall under "high-end content" to be ranked, and that way casual players wouldn't need to worry about being caught up in people's logs. Although, under the current system there's still the option to opt out if you don't want to have searchable logs.

[CaedemSanguis]

I really don't see a problem here, kicking or sidelining or harassing people using logs is against TOS and therefore reportable, and there's a method (which admittedly could be better displayed) to hide your logs if you're really that worried about them.

yeah, I think the same

dont really see the problem