fflogs and privacy

[Exmo]

The people who see value in battle logs are not the people who are the target of humiliation and harassment over battle logs. In fact, the former group are the people performing the harassment. Part of the value of scraping logs is that it can be used this way.

It's not equitable that a certain plugin is deemed good because it is useful to some people despite being harmful to others.

[BigCheez]

The people who see value in battle logs are not the people who are the target of humiliation and harassment over battle logs. In fact, the former group are the people performing the harassment. Part of the value of scraping logs is that it can be used this way.

It's not equitable that a certain plugin is deemed good because it is useful to some people despite being harmful to others.

I don't really understand this line of thinking.

If someone finds the idea of being confronted with the fact that they have no idea how to play their job humiliating, why wouldn't they just learn how to play their job or set their logs to hidden? If someone doesn't care about their performance in-game, why would their response to said "harassment" be anything other than "who cares?"?

The reality of the situation is that I don't need third-party or a website to tell me if someone is standing around doing nothing instead of casting. In normal mode content, the overwhelming majority of the playerbase just want to get in, get their rewards, and get out. People are incredibly unlikely to have issues unless they're making so little effort that they're noticeably slowing down the progress of the group third-party tools or not.

[Kohashi]

The privacy of your grey parse and that you cannot play your class? You can tell without looking at somebody's logs.

Report the person and get on with your life.

[AvoSturmfaust]

Im honest, if i see someone hide his Logs (Ofc only in Savage/Extreme, everything else i dont care) i will kick him without 1 second of a thought, its not about being a bad or good player and i dont even care if he is orange or grey, the only thing which matters for me is the amount of reclears he has. So like previous people said, if someone uses fflogs to harass you just report him and move on

[Yeol]

Im honest, if i see someone hide his Logs (Ofc only in Savage/Extreme, everything else i dont care) i will kick him without 1 second of a thought, its not about being a bad or good player and i dont even care if he is orange or grey, the only thing which matters for me is the amount of reclears he has. So like previous people said, if someone uses fflogs to harass you just report him and move on

[AvoSturmfaust]

There is always a chance without question but usually someone which has maybe 1-2 kills in xyz is not that comfy like someone which has 30+ clears u know? when i do reclears for savage i usually pref people which have more then 1 clear and are more comfy with the fight then people which cleared it only one time

[Valence]

Looks like this thread definitely exploded heh. I just want to address this though:

You're trying to conflate two very difference circumstances here.

Your performance in a raid isn't private information nor do you own it. FFlogs simply takes numbers, calculates them and gives a percentile based on the results. The plugin you're trying to compare this with hitching onto your unique ID to find all retainer information, alts and essentially exposes information for the sole purpose of revealing your in-game identity. Bluntly stated, FFlogs is utilitarian in what it aims to accomplish, especially in a game so driven by DPS. Whereas the plugin is potentially insidious and serves little practical purpose beyond that.

Perhaps.

It definitely isn't private information for my party and my party alone, not for everyone to see. And it's also definitely not information that's persistent: once it is over, it's not stored as public data anywhere.

[ForteNightshade]

Looks like this thread definitely exploded heh. I just want to address this though:



Perhaps.

It definitely isn't private information for my party and my party alone, not for everyone to see. And it's also definitely not information that's persistent: once it is over, it's not stored as public data anywhere.

I'm assuming you meant "is private information for my party"

In which case, it isn't. That information is public to your party to do whatever they wish with. Someone decided to upload it to FFlogs and make it public for everyone. As you don't own the data nor is it directly tied to your personal life, there's no privacy concerns at play. That doesn't mean you can't be critical of FFlogs or outright dislike the website, but it does mean it isn't related to the stalker plugin whatsoever.

[Valence]

I'm assuming you meant "is private information for my party"

In which case, it isn't. That information is public to your party to do whatever they wish with. Someone decided to upload it to FFlogs and make it public for everyone. As you don't own the data nor is it directly tied to your personal life, there's no privacy concerns at play. That doesn't mean you can't be critical of FFlogs or outright dislike the website, but it does mean it isn't related to the stalker plugin whatsoever.

The main issue with this is you're only reasoning in terms of laws within a legal framework, which will also vary greatly per country: some may have more privacy protection laws than others.
Most of what happens in game is framed within the TOS, and then on what is commonly accepted or not, which the OP was mostly about.

[Collin_Sky]

A player who will harass you over your gameplay will harass you over your gameplay regardless of whether fflogs even existed or not.
You're complaining about a tool rather than the problem, which is players who harass other players over their gameplay - and the solution exists, it's called the report feature.