Maybe it's time for a casual "strike" if not complete departure.

[LateNightSuki]

This is something on the language of successful success.

Why you just cant accept not everyone enjoy fight format, like in modern FF14. This is just not fun. Do all by guides not fun, learn even fight from 0 with a lot of wipes not fun, body checks not fun, meta-gaming in MMO (like picto in FRU) not fun, strict selection in PF not fun. It might be fun with friends (if you're on the same wave, of course), but you could just as easily do anything and it would still be fun.

Yes, everyone can do that, but why u think people avoiding that?

Most of grind types in this game not fun. Most of crafters sit on macros application. That not fun. Most of raiders whom i know personally used any applications what up their QoL and that not fun.

I basically don’t understand the concept of a fight in which I can manage my class well, but this is only a ridiculous 10% of the success of the raid, because nothing depends on me except DPS and throwing debuffs / buffs into timing.

I'd prefer more fights where can easily сarry casuals, which is based on personal game my experience and not whether someone stayed on wrong place or not.

People don't like to learn\repeat anything, unless you are a special, rare "breed" of players.
This does not mean that casuals do not want to do anything and avoid any type of content, it only means that fight content that is more difficult then MSQ have very a high difficulty jump that casuals are not interested in.

Okay, I don't understand what content "casuals" want then. You've listed a lot of the content the game has to offer as not fun, which is honestly really funny, why even play at that point? Do you want more content like Bozja/Eureaka, Deep Dungeons, BLU, Variant Dungeons? Isn't that content coming just in later patches?

"People don't like to learn" really says it all honestly.

[Mawlzy]

Sorry, are normal raids not casual content? I think you need to have a little more faith in yourself, as do other casual (those with an aversion to endgame content) players. You are allowed to be new, especially to new content. Also, if I'm understanding correctly, you don't feel comfortable in dungeons above 80? I would appreciate if you would explain why if that's possible, although I will not press you of course.

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Your worries of being a drain on the team sounds like more of a personal issue, and while I sympathize as I have been there myself, at the end of the day this is a video game and none of us know each other and it's just really not that deep. While I may loathe someone in the moment for making the roulette taking longer than it needs to, I am more than likely not going to see them again and forget. Sometimes we think about ourselves a little too much, what we can do is ask for advice and criticism on what we can do better, which are what learning parties are for! And you will naturally find people who believe in you and encourage you, even if it's only a stranger in a PF for 1-2 hours.

Accepting that you are a weak link and a drain is nothing but a wall created by, well, what I can only assume is insecurity. But I promise I don't mean that in a harsh way.

Yes, normal raids are usually regarded as casual content, and I have no doubt I could be carried through M1-4N. If I did them repeatedly (like ~ 50 times) I might be able to get through all of them without dying, although I'd probably be doing less dps than the healers. But why would I? Remembering where to put my feet isn't interesting to me.

Insecurity? I don't think so. Professional poker players have been characterized as having "a self-confidence bordering on arrogance." It's a survival characteristic.

As to dungeons above about level 80, combination of things. The speed of AoEs gets faster, mechanics overlap. From a design point of view, I think boss tells are far more interesting than orange puddles, but I find many of them impossible to pick up even when I'm checking the cast bar so I know they're coming. Like the bosses hair is pointing in a direction to indicate the direction of a cleave? Simply can't pick it up, despite spending hours fiddling with settings. I just bung a Dorito on the healer and follow them around which isn't very interesting. Anything in which I have to remember a delayed AoE pattern I just can't do it. Around Troia and up I don't think I've completed a dungeon without dying. Which I know is part of the process, but it's an irritant to the competent members of the light party.

Now I'm quite old (I played Doom on release), so maybe that is part of it. Equally in (the admittedly much simpler content) of Frontline, I invariably get at least one of the positive stats on the front page, and often a couple. So the hands are working okay. Not so sure about the brain.

[Erzaa]

Okay, I don't understand what content "casuals" want then.

So you don't believe there's a middle ground between piss dead easy and "Oh Lord, when will this end already so I can get out of here?"

You've listed a lot of the content the game has to offer as not fun, which is honestly really funny, why even play at that point? Do you want more content like Bozja/Eureaka, Deep Dungeons, BLU, Variant Dungeons? Isn't that content coming just in later patches?

Combat in FF14, in my personal opinion, hasn't ever been all that fun, it was just... alright. I put up with it, because other parts of the game were fun and I enjoyed the story.

It doesn't matter how much they shove EX, Savage, Ultimate, Chaotic in my face, I know I'm never ever going to touch it. It's not for me. The people who enjoy it, more power to them, go wild. But, the rest of us would like something to do as well, especially those of us who spent that last 3-4 years and ran out of content.

"People don't like to learn" really says it all honestly.

This is just insulting. There's a difference between wanting to learn something because you find it enjoyable, and having to learn something because you have to.

Anyone can do the first, and everyone learns when it's something they're actively interested in learning. The second, well... if they want to force me to do something I consider a chore, then I'll take a monthly salary and health benefits, and I'll learn and work hard at anything they want me to do. I play video games for fun, to be entertained, not looking for a second job.

[Mawlzy]

There's a difference between wanting to learn something because you find it enjoyable, and having to learn something because you have to.

Anyone can do the first, and everyone learns when it's something they're actively interested in learning. The second, well... if they want to force me to do something I consider a chore, then I'll take a monthly salary and health benefits, and I'll learn and work hard at anything they want me to do. I play video games for fun, to be entertained, not looking for a second job.

This almost seems to be another philosophical difference between casual and hardcore players. I was reading something on r/ffxivdiscussion in which someone was explaining they now had 70 clears of CAR, and how horrific their last week or so had been, and how completely shattered they were and... I'm just blinking at the screen trying to understand why anyone would do this if they weren't getting paid.

[LateNightSuki]

So you don't believe there's a middle ground between piss dead easy and "Oh Lord, when will this end already so I can get out of here?"


Combat in FF14, in my personal opinion, hasn't ever been all that fun, it was just... alright. I put up with it, because other parts of the game were fun and I enjoyed the story.

It doesn't matter how much they shove EX, Savage, Ultimate, Chaotic in my face, I know I'm never ever going to touch it. It's not for me. The people who enjoy it, more power to them, go wild. But, the rest of us would like something to do as well, especially those of us who spent that last 3-4 years and ran out of content.


This is just insulting. There's a difference between wanting to learn something because you find it enjoyable, and having to learn something because you have to.

Anyone can do the first, and everyone learns when it's something they're actively interested in learning. The second, well... if they want to force me to do something I consider a chore, then I'll take a monthly salary and health benefits, and I'll learn and work hard at anything they want me to do. I play video games for fun, to be entertained, not looking for a second job.

I didn't say that, but you do you, and there is a middle ground is there not? Like I said, BLU/Beastmaster, Deep/Variant Dungeons, Normal Raids, whatever. Savage and everything in between can be as piss easy as you want it to be if you take the time to learn, so yes, I will double down on "People don't like to learn" really saying it all. People don't have the patience to sit down and learn anymore, just like the whole DS debacle of people wanting an easy mode, those games are only as hard as you make them out to be.

So again, what content DO you want? You don't like the combat, so what, you want something like island sanctuary to just sit around in all day? I honestly do not get why you are playing an MMO at that point, especially if you don't like the combat as it is key to the game, current class identity issues aside.

I'm not trying to shove Savage/EX/whatever down people's throats, just encouraging. But also I am honest to god just sick of hearing people whine about content that is there that they are simply choosing not to do, almost always due to laziness. You make the content as fun as you want it to be.

[Mawlzy]

I'm not trying to shove Savage/EX/whatever down people's throats, just encouraging. But also I am honest to god just sick of hearing people whine about content that is there that they are simply choosing not to do, almost always due to laziness. You make the content as fun as you want it to be.

Do you engage with game content, in 14 or elsewhere, that you do not enjoy?

[LateNightSuki]

Do you engage with game content, in 14 or elsewhere, that you do not enjoy?

No, I enjoy everything in 14. I apologise I didn't reply to your last post the amount coming in is a lot.

Continuing on, as you can see I have been around this game for ages. FFXIV has always been a combat centred MMO, the big focus has always been on raiding and similar content, so hearing people complain about the main appeal of the game is confusing and exhausting. I would love for them to release more casual content, and I know that it is coming in future patches. The content is literally being made so I don't understand this casual strike uprising angle.

[IceEyes]

FFXIV has always been a combat centred MMO, the big focus has always been on raiding and similar content

lol. idk what to answer.

[LateNightSuki]

lol. idk what to answer.

That you don't enjoy doing anything in the game I guess? Lol.

[Mawlzy]

No, I enjoy everything in 14. I apologise I didn't reply to your last post the amount coming in is a lot.

Continuing on, as you can see I have been around this game for ages. FFXIV has always been a combat centred MMO, the big focus has always been on raiding and similar content, so hearing people complain about the main appeal of the game is confusing and exhausting. I would love for them to release more casual content, and I know that it is coming in future patches. The content is literally being made so I don't understand this casual strike uprising angle.

I think the melodrama stems from frustration.

I don't think the big focus of 14 can be on raiding when on NA/EU it is a minority activity. Similarly, while I understand the argument that the game is combat centered (we're the warrior of light, not the culinarian of light), there's a significant population of players who regard the dungeons as an unavoidable impediment they need to get through to enjoy the story, and their RP, and their house, and their crafting, and their custom deliveries, and...