Maybe it's time for a casual "strike" if not complete departure.

[LateNightSuki]

So you don't believe there's a middle ground between piss dead easy and "Oh Lord, when will this end already so I can get out of here?"


Combat in FF14, in my personal opinion, hasn't ever been all that fun, it was just... alright. I put up with it, because other parts of the game were fun and I enjoyed the story.

It doesn't matter how much they shove EX, Savage, Ultimate, Chaotic in my face, I know I'm never ever going to touch it. It's not for me. The people who enjoy it, more power to them, go wild. But, the rest of us would like something to do as well, especially those of us who spent that last 3-4 years and ran out of content.


This is just insulting. There's a difference between wanting to learn something because you find it enjoyable, and having to learn something because you have to.

Anyone can do the first, and everyone learns when it's something they're actively interested in learning. The second, well... if they want to force me to do something I consider a chore, then I'll take a monthly salary and health benefits, and I'll learn and work hard at anything they want me to do. I play video games for fun, to be entertained, not looking for a second job.

I didn't say that, but you do you, and there is a middle ground is there not? Like I said, BLU/Beastmaster, Deep/Variant Dungeons, Normal Raids, whatever. Savage and everything in between can be as piss easy as you want it to be if you take the time to learn, so yes, I will double down on "People don't like to learn" really saying it all. People don't have the patience to sit down and learn anymore, just like the whole DS debacle of people wanting an easy mode, those games are only as hard as you make them out to be.

So again, what content DO you want? You don't like the combat, so what, you want something like island sanctuary to just sit around in all day? I honestly do not get why you are playing an MMO at that point, especially if you don't like the combat as it is key to the game, current class identity issues aside.

I'm not trying to shove Savage/EX/whatever down people's throats, just encouraging. But also I am honest to god just sick of hearing people whine about content that is there that they are simply choosing not to do, almost always due to laziness. You make the content as fun as you want it to be.

[Mawlzy]

I'm not trying to shove Savage/EX/whatever down people's throats, just encouraging. But also I am honest to god just sick of hearing people whine about content that is there that they are simply choosing not to do, almost always due to laziness. You make the content as fun as you want it to be.

Do you engage with game content, in 14 or elsewhere, that you do not enjoy?

[LateNightSuki]

Do you engage with game content, in 14 or elsewhere, that you do not enjoy?

No, I enjoy everything in 14. I apologise I didn't reply to your last post the amount coming in is a lot.

Continuing on, as you can see I have been around this game for ages. FFXIV has always been a combat centred MMO, the big focus has always been on raiding and similar content, so hearing people complain about the main appeal of the game is confusing and exhausting. I would love for them to release more casual content, and I know that it is coming in future patches. The content is literally being made so I don't understand this casual strike uprising angle.

[IceEyes]

FFXIV has always been a combat centred MMO, the big focus has always been on raiding and similar content

lol. idk what to answer.

[LateNightSuki]

lol. idk what to answer.

That you don't enjoy doing anything in the game I guess? Lol.

[IceEyes]

That you don't enjoy doing anything in the game I guess? Lol.

Right now, yes? Otherwise, I wouldn’t be sitting here on the forum now.

Two years ago, when I dragged my ass into FF14, the only thing I didn't hear compliments about was the combat.

History, cinematography in boss fights, music, general atmosphere of the game, interesting community, good side activities like fishing or gold saucer. But, i never heard something like "wow, this battle so cool maked, its captivate you by the first mechanics and does not let go of your attention until the very end".
Honestly, I have never heard of this in any MMO what tried (unless, of course, you are a hardcore raider, lol).

Moreover, i tried to invite few friends and no one stayed here for now, they said same thing "boring pve, awkward pvp". One of them made it to EW in a ridiculous 2-3 weeks, and it took him another 2-3 weeks to close p9s-p11 in actual gear time.

[Mawlzy]

No, I enjoy everything in 14. I apologise I didn't reply to your last post the amount coming in is a lot.

Continuing on, as you can see I have been around this game for ages. FFXIV has always been a combat centred MMO, the big focus has always been on raiding and similar content, so hearing people complain about the main appeal of the game is confusing and exhausting. I would love for them to release more casual content, and I know that it is coming in future patches. The content is literally being made so I don't understand this casual strike uprising angle.

I think the melodrama stems from frustration.

I don't think the big focus of 14 can be on raiding when on NA/EU it is a minority activity. Similarly, while I understand the argument that the game is combat centered (we're the warrior of light, not the culinarian of light), there's a significant population of players who regard the dungeons as an unavoidable impediment they need to get through to enjoy the story, and their RP, and their house, and their crafting, and their custom deliveries, and...

[LateNightSuki]

there's a significant population of players who regard the dungeons as an unavoidable impediment they need to get through to enjoy the story, and their RP, and their house, and their crafting, and their custom deliveries, and...

...What? Sorry but why are you actually playing the game at that point? Story dungeons have been here since the beginning of the game, genuinely, buy a story skip or watch a playthrough at that point.

I don't get what you guys (specifically the above population mentioned) actually like about this game or the reasons you play it. I am genuinely baffled from that post, like you can literally go play any other game at that point.

[Erzaa]

I didn't say that, but you do you, and there is a middle ground is there not? Like I said, BLU/Beastmaster, Deep/Variant Dungeons, Normal Raids, whatever.

Done and dusted, for some time now. Back to Deep Dungeons solo will be my focus after I max out my jobs. So yea, been there done that. I've done every piece of casual content the game has.

Savage and everything in between can be as piss easy as you want it to be if you take the time to learn, so yes, I will double down on "People don't like to learn" really saying it all. People don't have the patience to sit down and learn anymore, just like the whole DS debacle of people wanting an easy mode, those games are only as hard as you make them out to be.

Don't play Dark Souls, don't care about Dark Souls. I play games to have fun and be entertained and unwind, not to flex online about how good I am at a game. I put effort into things I like and enjoy, if I have to put effort into things I don't enjoy, I expect a paycheck. If you like doing that, more power to you, stop telling me to enjoy things I know I don't enjoy. I also don't enjoy watching paint dry, but I don't judge people who might.

So again, what content DO you want? You don't like the combat, so what, you want something like island sanctuary to just sit around in all day? I honestly do not get why you are playing an MMO at that point, especially if you don't like the combat as it is key to the game, current class identity issues aside.

I didn't say I don't like combat, I said I find FF14's combat to be just alright. It's not exactly the pinnacle of fun combat is it? Memorise, press rotation, stand and wait for some mechanic to finish. And I play MMOs because I like the fantasy of another living world, why do you get to decide who gets to play MMOs and why? And Island Sanctuary? Also done... meh!

I'm not trying to shove Savage/EX/whatever down people's throats, just encouraging. But also I am honest to god just sick of hearing people whine about content that is there that they are simply choosing not to do, almost always due to laziness. You make the content as fun as you want it to be.

You don't encourage when you tell people who already explained why they don't enjoy that content, that they should do that content and shut up and like it, because they're rightfully complaining there's nothing left for them to do. Encourage someone who's wondering if they should give it a try instead.

OK, I guess I'm just lazy, got it.

[LateNightSuki]

Done and dusted, for some time now. Back to Deep Dungeons solo will be my focus after I max out my jobs. So yea, been there done that. I've done every piece of casual content the game has.


Don't play Dark Souls, don't care about Dark Souls. I play games to have fun and be entertained and unwind, not to flex online about how good I am at a game. I put effort into things I like and enjoy, if I have to put effort into things I don't enjoy, I expect a paycheck. If you like doing that, more power to you, stop telling me to enjoy things I know I don't enjoy. I also don't enjoy watching paint dry, but I don't judge people who might.


I didn't say I don't like combat, I said I find FF14's combat to be just alright. It's not exactly the pinnacle of fun combat is it? Memorise, press rotation, stand and wait for some mechanic to finish. And I play MMOs because I like the fantasy of another living world, why do you get to decide who gets to play MMOs and why? And Island Sanctuary? Also done... meh!


You don't encourage when you tell people who already explained why they don't enjoy that content, that they should do that content and shut up and like it, because they're rightfully complaining there's nothing left for them to do. Encourage someone who's wondering if they should give it a try instead.

OK, I guess I'm just lazy, got it.

I didn't say shut up and like it LMFAO I said at least give it a try, or at least was trying to convey that point.

I'm solely annoyed at people stark raving about there not being enough casual content when that has never been the centred content of the game. It has always been about raiding/dungeons/extremes/whatever first. If you have done all the casual content you do realise you can unsub and come back when there's more? Instead of demanding a cut in hardcore content for more casual content, which you specifically might not be doing but there are people in this thread who are.

Focus on hardcore content, casual content suffers (despite the numerous casual activities coming up in the patches), focus on casual content, oops the endgame is gone, what then?