Maybe it's time for a casual "strike" if not complete departure.

[Aidorouge]

Disregard this, I'm not playing the game anymore.

[Kaurhz]

This is where their attempts at making the last expansion relic too easy is turning around to bite them. At the very least past relics would keep you busy, now they have been so miserable and easy that I actually have 9 of them on near the final stage on an alt character because they are just comedically accessible that you have enough Tomestones before even doing 80-90 or 90-100.

I am not too concerned in the grand scheme, because they follow this same downtrodden formula. It will be 'raid content enjoyers' that are asking where all their content is after they've done the final savage tier in 7.4 and have to wait 13 months for the next raid. Ultimately over the course of an expansion they have just as bad treatment as casuals, with the exception of all their content being frontloaded.

They need to see that their expansion lifecycle benefits nearly nobody, and that in the grand scheme of things, it's a miserable experience for everyone.

TL;DR a lot of this is an issue exacerbated by how accessible Manderville relics were, and the absence of a repeatable content in Endwalker.

[Gurgeh]

...I am not too concerned in the grand scheme, because they follow this same downtrodden formula. It will be 'raid content enjoyers' that are asking where all their content is after they've done the final savage tier in 7.4 and have to wait 13 months for the next raid. Ultimately over the course of an expansion they have just as bad treatment as casuals, with the exception of all their content being frontloaded.

Which is so moronically stupid (of Swuare Enix/creative). Make savage wait, and coax people casual > normal > (criterion) > extreme > savage
Instead you release savage in week 4, when people haven't even finished normal gearing and find out if they can clear extreme.
So F stupid.

You know it might just be that high end players aren't making as much use of casual content as they could if you didn't keep dangling sparkly new savage Infront of them before the expansion has even been released. From the moment MSQ comes out it's skip skip min/max craft/craft fate farm because that's the only choice if they want to be part of the buzz and the statics.

That whole business with giving 1 week for elden ring Again bloody high-end. Casual gamers had nothing to worry about intended if then they did MSQ later other than avoiding spoilers. It was raiders who were under pressure to get started.

[Kai-XP]

This is where their attempts at making the last expansion relic too easy is turning around to bite them. At the very least past relics would keep you busy, now they have been so miserable and easy that I actually have 9 of them on near the final stage on an alt character because they are just comedically accessible that you have enough Tomestones before even doing 80-90 or 90-100.

I am not too concerned in the grand scheme, because they follow this same downtrodden formula. It will be 'raid content enjoyers' that are asking where all their content is after they've done the final savage tier in 7.4 and have to wait 13 months for the next raid. Ultimately over the course of an expansion they have just as bad treatment as casuals, with the exception of all their content being frontloaded.

They need to see that their expansion lifecycle benefits nearly nobody, and that in the grand scheme of things, it's a miserable experience for everyone.

TL;DR a lot of this is an issue exacerbated by how accessible Manderville relics were, and the absence of a repeatable content in Endwalker.

Is this someone that's making sense in the XIV forums? It's like finding a Unicorn

Honestly I think that the whole Chaotic debacle is overblown where ppl that aren't used to this kind of content feel overwhelm in being in a fight with more than 8 people. The mechanics in the Chaotic are braindead, but there's a lot of moving parts; and if one of those parts don't work the whole clock just explodes.

Here's a reminder for those in the "Casual" community, you don't need discord (This isn't Baldesion Arsenal or Delubrum Regenea Savage), you don't need callouts. Just learn what your role is in the fight, and learn and have fun. If "Hardcore" players don't want you in your party, make your own! I'm sure there's a bunch of ppl that are in the same position as you and want to get the glams.

[Mawlzy]

This is already happening, but it's not so much a strike as a company locking the factory doors on the workers.

But yeah it burns to be subsidizing a sub-community that exhibits such contempt for our presence.

[CuteBucket]

As a "hardcore" player (I guess? I enjoy and clear the harder stuff and I raid in a static at any rate), I really want some FUN casual and midcore content too. I have other friends who don't like the harder level stuff, whether because the don't have the time to dedicate to it or just find it too stressful, who I still want to play the game with. I want something more chill to play to unwind after raid where I still feel like I'm engaged and having fun but don't have to completely "lock in" to clear either. I want content I can bring an alt job into where it's no big deal if I mess up a few times, things like that. Variety is good for everyone. I don't feel like I'm eating all that well either.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

As a "hardcore" player (I guess? I enjoy and clear the harder stuff and I raid in a static at any rate), I really want some FUN casual and midcore content too. I have other friends who don't like the harder level stuff, whether because the don't have the time to dedicate to it or just find it too stressful, who I still want to play the game with. I want something more chill to play to unwind after raid where I still feel like I'm engaged and having fun but don't have to completely "lock in" to clear either. I want content I can bring an alt job into where it's no big deal if I mess up a few times, things like that. Variety is good for everyone. I don't feel like I'm eating all that well either.

Im in the same boat as you for the most part. I enjoy raiding and doing savage and ultimate but I don't want it all the time. I want more chill content to play and have fun with. That why SB and ShB was my favorite expacs bc they had a decent mix of hard content with relaxing content. On off days I would be in Bozja and Eurakeing farming for my relics. Doing EW and now DT, I all do when I log in is raid and I have no real reason to long in other than raid. It has made the game dull and boring. Sucks honestly....

[Genisay]

Im in the same boat as you for the most part. I enjoy raiding and doing savage and ultimate but I don't want it all the time. I want more chill content to play and have fun with. That why SB and ShB was my favorite expacs bc they had a decent mix of hard content with relaxing content. On off days I would be in Bozja and Eurakeing farming for my relics. Doing EW and now DT, I all do when I log in is raid and I have no real reason to long in other than raid. It has made the game dull and boring. Sucks honestly....

It actually sounds like we should be getting something of a similar scope to Bozja and Eureka with patch 7.2, which currently seems to be aiming for release some time in March.